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#21 tim2

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 10:46 AM

Thing about cricket though is unlike other games you appeal, for a catch, for a stumping, for LBW and somebody has to make a judgement.  So shouldn't you be able to counter appeal the appeal if you feel you're not out?  Another thought occurs, if there's no appeal can the umpire give someone out caught behind, stumped or LBW?


Technically - no. There was an example in the last game where no-one appealed but it appeared from the evidence that the player was, in fact, out. A caught behind I think.

Hotspot is a disaster due to the thin edges not registering in some cases - snicko is better but the technology used to generate a valid sound wave after removing extraneous noise takes far too long.

Hawkeye is also a problem in terms of the ones that "just clip" the stumps. However if asked whether whether it or an umpire was best placed to predict the path of a ball after contact with the pads I would go with Hawkeye.

It would be interesting to try out an "umpire only review" - although I do fear that you would end up with them referring everything. The latest I heard was that the ICC would introduce their own fully independent system where the 3rd umpire sits in a van like in RL and has control over which replays he sees. However we know from experience this will never eradicate human error, as witnessed at "Manchester Magic".
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#22 tim2

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 10:48 AM

England have been poor in this game by their standards. Bowlers other than Swann and Anderson need to come to the party, and we need runs from Prior, Trott and Bairstow - especially if Bresnan is omitted and Onions comes in, as is expected on Friday.
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#23 gingerjon

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 02:59 PM

Technically - no. There was an example in the last game where no-one appealed but it appeared from the evidence that the player was, in fact, out. A caught behind I think.

Hotspot is a disaster due to the thin edges not registering in some cases - snicko is better but the technology used to generate a valid sound wave after removing extraneous noise takes far too long.

Hawkeye is also a problem in terms of the ones that "just clip" the stumps. However if asked whether whether it or an umpire was best placed to predict the path of a ball after contact with the pads I would go with Hawkeye.

It would be interesting to try out an "umpire only review" - although I do fear that you would end up with them referring everything. The latest I heard was that the ICC would introduce their own fully independent system where the 3rd umpire sits in a van like in RL and has control over which replays he sees. However we know from experience this will never eradicate human error, as witnessed at "Manchester Magic".

 

The ICC version was trialed in Manchester apparently.


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#24 Bostik Bailey

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 03:16 PM

Thing about cricket though is unlike other games you appeal, for a catch, for a stumping, for LBW and somebody has to make a judgement. So shouldn't you be able to counter appeal the appeal if you feel you're not out? Another thought occurs, if there's no appeal can the umpire give someone out caught behind, stumped or LBW?


I don't think so I think the laws of cricket insist that the fielding team appeal to the umpire. The umpire can't just put his finger up

#25 Trojan

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 09:56 PM

England have been poor in this game by their standards. Bowlers other than Swann and Anderson need to come to the party, and we need runs from Prior, Trott and Bairstow - especially if Bresnan is omitted and Onions comes in, as is expected on Friday.

 

I Onions doesn't play tomorrow on his home ground he's never going to get a game.


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Posted 08 August 2013 - 10:03 PM

I Onions doesn't play tomorrow on his home ground he's never going to get a game.

Didn't they say that about Tremlett in the last test?

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#27 Wolford6

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 02:33 AM

Onions for Bresnan, I reckon. And maybe Taylor for Bairstow.


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#28 Futtocks

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 09:31 AM

England announce unchanged team for 4th Test.


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#29 Futtocks

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 10:03 AM

England won the toss and are batting. 


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#30 John Drake

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 10:30 PM

Blimey. Wish I'd gone to the Fourth Test instead of the Third!

 

Spectacular day of cricket today.

 

Well done England! Ashes properly 'won' now. :)


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#31 Northern Sol

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 11:35 PM

Indeed. The game went back and forth. First England looked like they were certain to lose. Then they turned things around and got themselves into the driving seat. Then they totally blew it and an Aussie victory was a mere formality and yet somehow by the time I got home I found that we had in fact won! By a fair margin as well.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 06:43 AM

Blimey. Wish I'd gone to the Fourth Test instead of the Third!

 

Spectacular day of cricket today.

 

Well done England! Ashes properly 'won' now. :)

 

Even with Australia nine down with so far to go it didn't seem beyond the realms of possibility that they could turn it again.  But another excellent Test match. 

 

Ian Bell heading to be Man of the Series without winning a single Man of the Match.


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#33 Trojan

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 06:53 AM

Even with Australia nine down with so far to go it didn't seem beyond the realms of possibility that they could turn it again.  But another excellent Test match. 

 

Ian Bell heading to be Man of the Series without winning a single Man of the Match.

 

I was a bit out of touch yesterday.  I spoke to someone at work who said it was 120  for 1, and I said well that's ok the game finishes today, he pointed out that it didn't and I assume the Aussies would win.  They must have collapsed fairly spectactularly


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#34 gingerjon

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 08:19 AM

I was a bit out of touch yesterday.  I spoke to someone at work who said it was 120  for 1, and I said well that's ok the game finishes today, he pointed out that it didn't and I assume the Aussies would win.  They must have collapsed fairly spectactularly

 

120-1 at tea chasing 299; 224 all out.  Broad took something like 6-22 off 45 balls.  Bresnan also a key player.  Anderson just not quite clicking this time.


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#35 Futtocks

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 09:09 AM

Curses! I got home last night and watched the Athletics instead of the Test Match highlights, confident that the game would finish today.


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