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Will the World Cup 2013 be a flop?


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#1 Jason86

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 11:31 AM

I hope the world cup is a success, I will be attending but, has the 2013 WC been doomed by the RFL?

What do you make of the Australia England game being played in Wales or Semi-finals at Wembley?

Has the RFL made a massive error restructuring the Super league in such a poor way nobody has discussed the world cup on the television or in the media properly?

Is the rest of the country aware of the tournament?

Is Steve Mac the right man for England? (NO)

 

I hope the world cup is a success, I will be attending.

I have opinions on these matters but would love you to share yours.



#2 Futtocks

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 12:04 PM

I'm sure there are a vocal minority who'd be quietly overjoyed if the RWC was a complete disaster.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 12:08 PM

I hope the world cup is a success, I will be attending but, has the 2013 WC been doomed by the RFL?

 

What do you make of the Australia England game being played in Wales or Semi-finals at Wembley?

 

Has the RFL made a massive error restructuring the Super league in such a poor way nobody has discussed the world cup on the television or in the media properly?

 

Is the rest of the country aware of the tournament?

 

Is Steve Mac the right man for England? (NO)

 

 

 

I hope the world cup is a success, I will be attending.

 

I have opinions on these matters but would love you to share yours.

 

If you call 200,000 pre-sold tickets with 3 months to go a flop then you have a lot to worry about. 200k+ is more than will go through the gates at Wigan's DW or Leeds' Headingley in a the whole season.



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Posted 02 August 2013 - 12:08 PM

What do you make of the Australia England game being played in Wales or Semi-finals at Wembley?

Perfectly fine with both of these things.

 

Opening ceremony needs to be in a big stadium, having the roof is a huge advantage.


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#5 buford t justice

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 12:32 PM

I heard a bit on the radio a week or so back (forget the astation but may have been talksport) talking about now wimbledon, the tour de france and the lions tour are over, once the ashes is done there are no other major sporting events to look forward to in the british sporting calendar this year, apart from the Fury v Haye fight in September.

They then went on to talk about the upcoming football season and how it will fill the gap until the World Cup next summer.

Not once did it mention Rugby League. To be fair, if i wasnt a fan of the game, i wouldnt be aware of it either, advertising of the event is non existant if you dont look in a rugby papaer or go to a game / RL related event.

I often get called a dinosaur for talking about how the game is dying in the heartlands and how expansion shouldnt be at the cost of the traditional areas and clubs we already have - but its clear that we could expand to the moon and the british media wouldnt bat an eyelid.

I personally am really looking forward to the World Cup, and as usual will get behind England more in hope than expectation, but you never know - for those who love their rugby league, it will be great, I just wish we could wave a magic wand and make the rest of the world realise how good our game is.

Edited by buford t justice, 02 August 2013 - 12:34 PM.

What we're dealing with here is a complete lack of respect for the law

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 12:37 PM

I heard a bit on the radio a week or so back (forget the astation but may have been talksport) talking about now wimbledon, the tour de france and the lions tour are over, once the ashes is done there are no other major sporting events to look forward to in the british sporting calendar this year, apart from the Fury v Haye fight in September.

They then went on to talk about the upcoming football season and how it will fill the gap until the World Cup next summer.

Not once did it mention Rugby League. To be fair, if i wasnt a fan of the game, i wouldnt be aware of it either, advertising of the event is non existant if you dont look in a rugby papaer or go to a game / RL related event.

I often get called a dinosaur for talking about how the game is dying in the heartlands and how expansion shouldnt be at the cost of the traditional areas and clubs we already have - but its clear that we could expand to the moon and the british media wouldnt bat an eyelid.

I personally am really looking forward to the World Cup, and as usual will get behind England more in hope than expectation, but you never know - for those who love their rugby league, it will be great, I just wish we could wave a magic wand and make the rest of the world realise how good our game is.

What did they say when you called them up to tell them? You did do this didn't you?
Rugby League is a sport that desperately needs to expand its geographical supporter base and its player base. This imperative means that all other requirements are secondary until this is done.

All power in the game should be with governing bodies, especially international governing bodies.

Without these actions we will remain a minor sport internationally and nationally.

#7 Gruff

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 12:42 PM

I hope the world cup is a success, I will be attending but, has the 2013 WC been doomed by the RFL?

 

What do you make of the Australia England game being played in Wales or Semi-finals at Wembley?

 

Has the RFL made a massive error restructuring the Super league in such a poor way nobody has discussed the world cup on the television or in the media properly?

 

Is the rest of the country aware of the tournament?

 

Is Steve Mac the right man for England? (NO)

 

 

 

I hope the world cup is a success, I will be attending.

 

I have opinions on these matters but would love you to share yours.

To Answer your questions;

 

1 - It what conceivable way has the RLWC been doomed by the RFL.  if anything they should be applauded for all the good work they have done

 

2 - Both fantastic venues - very happy to go back to Cardiff and very sensible choice to have the DH Semi's at Wembley and final at Old Trafford, rather than the other way.  

 

3 - Regardless of the structure of SL the RFL cannot put one thing on hold to sort out another.  Both have had to run concurrently, and it is us, as fans, and our negative journalists who have decided to focus on a league structure that won't be coming in until 2015, rather than a WC that is happening in 3 months.

 

4 - Not many people are aware, but the awareness is growing.  That will do for me at this stage.  If we have got 50% of tickets sold by the beginning of September I think that is a success.  Who is playing at what QF venue is not yet decided, so I don't think many QF tickets will have been sold - I am going to 8 games so far and will go to a QF, but won't buy my ticket until I know who is playing at what venue.  I guess I am not alone in this.

 

5 - I believe Steve Mc is the right person - we went with an excellent coach in 2008 with T.Smith and that back fired due to us not actually playing like a team who wanted to win for one another.  I believe McNamara has built this ethos into the England team. The coaching is a minor part - you have a squad of world class players who will get on with the job regardless - it's your job to make them play as a team.  To back this up, let's look at some current International managers and their coaching jobs prior/since being in the hot seat.

 

Rugby

Clive Woodward - won the WC - was ASSISTANT COACH at Leicester before England and is now not in sports coaching

Stuart Lancaster - Highest ranked NH team, recently beat AB convincingly - was Director of Rugby at LEEDS CARNEGIE - in the 2nd tier of the comp

Tims Sheens - Australia coach - been at West Tigers since 2003 - champions 8 years ago - team now 15th in league

Stephen Kearney - Kiwi Coach - ASSISTANT COACH at Melbourne Storm before being NZ Coach and winning RLWC2008, 2010 4N.  Now coach at Parramatta who have come 14th, 16th and look to be 16th again.

 

Football

Roy Hodgson - was at WEST BROM, LIVERPOOL, FULHAM, before being appointed for the top job.

Vincente Del Bosque - hadn't coached for 3 years before taking on the Spanish job

 

There are plenty more examples.  I can't think of any top coaches/managers in any club sport have gone on to be top class International Managers.  They require different attributes, but it seems only RL fans think an International Manager has to have a great club record.



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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:20 PM

No. It will be a resounding success. Get behind it. We as fans can help.  I have a RLWC2013 banner on my Facebook page so every time I share or comment or like people see the RLWC logo.  I have been out for the last two days talking to people at venues hosting the World Cup tour. Talk to people who don't follw RL. Get in the press, write a letter to you local paper, badger the editor to produce articles.

 

I am volunteering during the event.  I want it to be a success and we can all do a little bit to help promote it.



#9 Gruff

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:31 PM

No. It will be a resounding success. Get behind it. We as fans can help.  I have a RLWC2013 banner on my Facebook page so every time I share or comment or like people see the RLWC logo.  I have been out for the last two days talking to people at venues hosting the World Cup tour. Talk to people who don't follw RL. Get in the press, write a letter to you local paper, badger the editor to produce articles.

 

I am volunteering during the event.  I want it to be a success and we can all do a little bit to help promote it.

Like the banner bit - how did you get one of those?



#10 gogledd

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:36 PM

Like the banner bit - how did you get one of those?

 

https://www.facebook...&type=1



#11 Kenny Bania

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:37 PM

I hope the world cup is a success, I will be attending but, has the 2013 WC been doomed by the RFL?[/size]
 
What do you make of the Australia England game being played in Wales or Semi-finals at Wembley?[/size]

 
Has the RFL made a massive error restructuring the Super league in such a poor way nobody has discussed the world cup on the television or in the media properly?[/size]


 
Is the rest of the country aware of the tournament?[/size]


 
Is Steve Mac the right man for England? (NO)[/size]


 
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I hope the world cup is a success, I will be attending.[/size]


 
I have opinions on these matters but would love you to share yours.[/size]



1) Covered roof is a must for the opening ceremony and the Millennium Stadium is a fantastic spot. Wembley has to be involved somewhere along the line, a semi-final double header seems as good an option as any. It would have been great if we could have got a game or two played at the Olympic Stadium though

2) I'm not so sure the game's restructure is anything to do with this. My worry about going with Premier Sports rather than Sky (alongside the BBC) for the World Cup is that the tournament will get minimal coverage on Sky. Imagine how much they'd have banged on about it through Sky Sports News if they'd had the rights.

3) Barely. It'll be a slow burn - getting some much-missed space in the national newspapers is so important.

4) Probably not. But he's our man now, so we just have to back him 100%

5) Amen to that - me too. At the time of writing only the Wembley semis as I live down south, but am plotting a trip up north too.

Edited by Kenny Bania, 02 August 2013 - 01:40 PM.


#12 Jason86

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:38 PM

Some excellent points. I have only asked the questions to gage and gain a understanding of other peoples opinions. I am glad to read so many well constructed points and a positive response to them.



#13 gogledd

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:40 PM

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#14 Kenny Bania

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:47 PM

Vincente Del Bosque - hadn't coached for 3 years before taking on the Spanish job
 
There are plenty more examples.  I can't think of any top coaches/managers in any club sport have gone on to be top class International Managers.  They require different attributes, but it seems only RL fans think an International Manager has to have a great club record.


Del Bosque had won two European Cups though!

Guus Hiddink, Marcello Lippi and Luiz Felipe Scolari all spring to mind as other football coaches who have had good careers in both club and international management.

#15 JohnM

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:54 PM

Rugby league, for some still redolent of pies, bitter, Grandstand, Martin Offiah and Eddie Waring, has been quietly transforming itself into one of the most forward-thinking sports in the country for some time.

 

Quite so.

 

For the World Cup, timing is everything and in terms of media coverage for example, it is important not to peak too early



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Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:05 PM

Del Bosque had won two European Cups though!

Guus Hiddink, Marcello Lippi and Luiz Felipe Scolari all spring to mind as other football coaches who have had good careers in both club and international management.

He had - 7 years before he took charge of Spain

 

Scolari's actually the best example of the differences between club and country.  According to Wiki he coached in the Brazilian and Arab leagues before becoming Brazil boss - 17 clubs in 19 years, hardly a resounding success.  Then he moved into international managing, Won the WC with Brazil, massive success with Portugal.  Based on that success he got jobs at 3 clubs in 4 years, being sacked from all or leaving by "mutual consent".  He is now back in charge of Brazil and just won the Conf Cup.

 

Hiddink has coached just as many national teams as club teams - and has had some success in both albeit at club level in a poor league.  Once in charge of a top team he got sacked.

 

I'll give you Lippi

 

It's going off topic somewhat, but essentially it is a rare case where a successful club coach has become a successful country coach, and vice versa - they are two different breeds and need different approaches.  McNamara for me is a typical international coach, not a club coach.



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Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:34 PM

He had - 7 years before he took charge of Spain
 
Scolari's actually the best example of the differences between club and country.  According to Wiki he coached in the Brazilian and Arab leagues before becoming Brazil boss - 17 clubs in 19 years, hardly a resounding success.  Then he moved into international managing, Won the WC with Brazil, massive success with Portugal.  Based on that success he got jobs at 3 clubs in 4 years, being sacked from all or leaving by "mutual consent".  He is now back in charge of Brazil and just won the Conf Cup.
 
Hiddink has coached just as many national teams as club teams - and has had some success in both albeit at club level in a poor league.  Once in charge of a top team he got sacked.
 
I'll give you Lippi
 
It's going off topic somewhat, but essentially it is a rare case where a successful club coach has become a successful country coach, and vice versa - they are two different breeds and need different approaches.  McNamara for me is a typical international coach, not a club coach.


Seeing as we're on an RL forum, we are indeed going a bit off topic! I could come up with some counter arguments (and throw in Franz Beckenbauer too!) but we best stick to League, interesting debate though it is.

So...ermmm...yes, I am looking forward to RLWC 2013 and it WILL be a success.

#18 Futtocks

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:38 PM

We're going to see the best Rugby players in world, with several games on the BBC...

 

 

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...it's a DISASTER! I blame the RFL, farce, joke, kick in the teeth, Nigel Wood displaces a large volume of water etc. etc.


Edited by Futtocks, 02 August 2013 - 02:39 PM.

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#19 JvLeeds

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 03:51 PM

Can't wait for this. Great promotion for the game!

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 06:58 PM

Every fan has an obligation to avoid headlines like the one on this thread. Fans can do their bit by:
1. Being positive, posting positive things, contributing to forums positively
2. Buy tickets and encourage others not to miss the WC
3. keep quiet for a couple of months if cant do 1 or 2 above

Why oh why can't someone post how they are looking forward to the WC ?