Jump to content


Rugby League World - Grand Finals Issue

RUGBY LEAGUE WORLD - THE GRAND FINALS ISSUE - OUT 17 OCT OR DOWNLOAD IT NOW!
Try our Fantastic 4-Issue Bundle Offer:
For just £14, a saving of 10% on the regular cover price, you’ll get:

The Grand Finals Issue (out 17 Oct) – Grand Final drama from both hemispheres plus Four Nations preview
The Four Nations Issue (out 21 Nov) – Fantastic coverage of the Four Nations tournament down under
The Golden Boot Issue (out 19 Dec) – A look back at the 2014 season plus the big reveal of the winner of the Golden Boot
The 2015 Season Preview Issue (out 23 Jan) – How will your team perform in 2015? We preview every club.


League Express

Podcast

Photo
- - - - -

David Gents letter to the Community Clubs


  • Please log in to reply
47 replies to this topic

#1 Marauder

Marauder
  • Coach
  • 11,808 posts

Posted 04 August 2013 - 02:52 PM

What's your take on this letter that's been circulated to all Community Clubs by David Gent.

 

IMO it's an attempt to provoke clubs into signing up to the Operational rules when it's just about nothing to do with the lads death, what he also fails to say is a16 years old collapsed during a game and died shortly afterwards, it seems everyone at the RFL have forgotten about him.

 

The difference with this event and the open age death was that the 16 year-old died from an existing medical condition rather than an injury sustained on the field.

 

I like the including BARLA have approved a draft of the Operational rules, this is a clear lie

 

SIMPLY BECAUSE B.A.R.L.A. ARE STILL WAITING THE FEED BACK FROM CLUBS, DISTRICTS AND PLAYING LEAGUES

 

Dear Community Club

 

As you may be aware the RFL Community Board (including BARLA) recently approved a draft, game wide set of Operational Rules to service the whole of the Community Game. The Board unanimously approved a consultation period and wants all Leagues to approve the adoption of these Rules so that they can come into force in March 2014 for ‘summer’ based leagues and September 2014 for ‘winter’ based leagues.

 

The background to the creation of these Rules comes from the Coroner’s decision in the unfortunate case of (Players name deleted) deceased in September 2009. In that case the Coroner was highly critical of the fact that there did not appear to be a clear single set of rules that dealt with minimum standards of care, roles and responsibilities and operational matters within the Community Game.

 

As a result of that finding, the RFL through the Community Board (and including BARLA) concluded that it was not only the right thing to do but that it was imperative to protect Community Game players that one set of rules governing all operational matters setting out roles, responsibilities and minimum standards of levels of care was required.

 

A draft consultation of these Rules has been sent to all the playing leagues for them to read, consider and feedback. If you would like to view a copy of these then please email vicky.turner@rfl.uk.com should you then have any comments please feed these in to a playing league or an RFL Club and Competition Manager.

 

The formal consultation period with leagues will run from the 16th June until 5pm on the 16th September 2013. The purpose of the consultation is to ensure;

 

  1. Each community/amateur league understands the role and purpose of the rules and why they are needed;
  2. Determine if any alterations are needed to be made to the operational rules to meet the requirements of the league, and;
  3. Obtain the in principle approval of the league to the operational rules.

 

Assuming that there is general agreement across the leagues to the operational rules then the Community Board at its 16th October 2013 meeting will approve the one set of operational rules for the Community Game as a whole and the rules will take affect from March 2014 for all community and amateur leagues.

 

 

 

 

 

The RFL wishes to meet with every League Management Group to discuss and consider their views on these Rules. These Rules are designed to clarify the wider issues of the Community Game and it is envisaged that each Competition will still have its own specific Competition Rules that sit underneath the Operational Rules in order to allow Competitions to run as normal and maintain their integrity.

 

Before the various playing leagues accept the operational rules they will call an SGM or use their leagues AGM to inform your participating teams of any changes.

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

Players name deleted because I wouldn't want to use a death to win brownie points.


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.



http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/

#2 TaxiEgg

TaxiEgg
  • Coach
  • 2,777 posts

Posted 04 August 2013 - 05:19 PM

It is my understanding that Barla have agreed to the production of the Draft rules and they are exactly what they are which is a starting point to a finished agreed document .

 

There are several elements which many leagues are not happy with , what I do not like is the way IMO the RFL are individulising the issue when it should be a game wide decision .



#3 Wilber

Wilber
  • Coach
  • 130 posts

Posted 04 August 2013 - 10:55 PM

I like the including BARLA have approved a draft of the Operational rules, this is a clear lie

 

 

As taxi states this is not a lie. At the community board in May the then Chair of BARLA agreed to the operational rules on behalf of BARLA although he was prompted several times that this is the point where you object he said, and I quote, "apart from a couple of changes BARLA accept and are OK with the operational rules. 



#4 The 4 of Us

The 4 of Us
  • Coach
  • 1,696 posts

Posted 04 August 2013 - 11:04 PM

Players name deleted because I wouldn't want to use a death to win brownie points.[/size]


Are you suggesting the RFL are using a player's death as a "convenient" vehicle to pursue their "agenda"?

#5 Bedford Roughyed

Bedford Roughyed
  • Moderator
  • 5,361 posts

Posted 04 August 2013 - 11:22 PM

Imagine... a sport where the rules are set and issued from a central governing body... no other sport would put up with such a dictatorship...


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#6 The 4 of Us

The 4 of Us
  • Coach
  • 1,696 posts

Posted 05 August 2013 - 12:35 AM

Imagine... a sport where the rules are set and issued from a central governing body... no other sport would put up with such a dictatorship...


Nail. Head. If, one of the issues a few individuals on here seam to have about operational rules is the ability of "contracted" pro players playing "amateur" rugby league they should wonder about the irony of 1. Denying an individual a game who wants one and 2. The 100 year fight RL had in order for RL players to play "shamateur" RU and vice versa. It wasn't a RU accident they declared their game "open". Some "amateur" RL protagonists are worse than some RU ones ever were. Lets play the game. Too many are playing smoke and dagger petty politics for their own agendas and wallowing in a so called demise of "amateur" RL as proof of their prejudices.

The fact is that pro RL would not survive without amateur RL, in the same way they amateur RL would gain a status akin to Cumberland wrestling if the kids didn't have a pro game to aspire to.

Time for the game and individuals to get a grip and commit to improving the sport for all concerned. The little green men on Mars rubbish that keep getting churned out on here is getting a bit tedious.

It's been several weeks since the NWC 16-18 meeting and there's been no movement from the agitators who were filing through their rule book that night. Time to back if or back off.

#7 LordCharles

LordCharles
  • Coach
  • 747 posts

Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:32 AM

It's been several weeks since the NWC 16-18 meeting and there's been no movement from the agitators who were filing through their rule book that night. Time to back if or back off.

 

A spot of fishing?

 

Sorry wrong bait!

 

All will become apparent in due course  ;)



#8 The 4 of Us

The 4 of Us
  • Coach
  • 1,696 posts

Posted 05 August 2013 - 09:12 AM

A spot of fishing?

Sorry wrong bait!

All will become apparent in due course ;)


Due course. Is this before or after the signatures from the relevant club secretaries is collected? That was 30% wasn't it? How many you got so far?

#9 Marauder

Marauder
  • Coach
  • 11,808 posts

Posted 05 August 2013 - 09:16 AM

Nail. Head. If, one of the issues a few individuals on here seam to have about operational rules is the ability of "contracted" pro players playing "amateur" rugby league they should wonder about the irony of 1. Denying an individual a game who wants one and 2. The 100 year fight RL had in order for RL players to play "shamateur" RU and vice versa. It wasn't a RU accident they declared their game "open". Some "amateur" RL protagonists are worse than some RU ones ever were. Lets play the game. Too many are playing smoke and dagger petty politics for their own agendas and wallowing in a so called demise of "amateur" RL as proof of their prejudices.

The fact is that pro RL would not survive without amateur RL, in the same way they amateur RL would gain a status akin to Cumberland wrestling if the kids didn't have a pro game to aspire to.

Time for the game and individuals to get a grip and commit to improving the sport for all concerned. The little green men on Mars rubbish that keep getting churned out on here is getting a bit tedious.

It's been several weeks since the NWC 16-18 meeting and there's been no movement from the agitators who were filing through their rule book that night. Time to back if or back off.

So far the game under the RFL guidance has become like a body with moderate hypothermia and in 2014 it will be going into the severe early stages as it closes super league down from 14 to 12 clubs. 

 

 

In other words all the RFL want is the elite part of the game.


Edited by Marauder, 05 August 2013 - 09:58 AM.

Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.



http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/

#10 Marauder

Marauder
  • Coach
  • 11,808 posts

Posted 05 August 2013 - 09:18 AM

Due course. Is this before or after the signatures from the relevant club secretaries is collected? That was 30% wasn't it? How many you got so far?

86%


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.



http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/

#11 LordCharles

LordCharles
  • Coach
  • 747 posts

Posted 05 August 2013 - 09:41 AM

Due course. Is this before or after the signatures from the relevant club secretaries is collected? That was 30% wasn't it? How many you got so far?

 

More fishing.........must be really bothering you just what us "Amateur Activists" are up to and where we are at with it all  ;)

 

Due course............as and when appropriate.

 

Better hope all the other parties that are jocking for position have everything in hand   :help:



#12 The 4 of Us

The 4 of Us
  • Coach
  • 1,696 posts

Posted 05 August 2013 - 09:53 AM

More fishing.........must be really bothering you just what us "Amateur Activists" are up to and where we are at with it all ;)

Due course............as and when appropriate.

Better hope all the other parties that are jocking for position have everything in hand :help:


All this before ratification in October?

If you're so concerned about secrecy why not state loud and proud what your position or plan is. The constitution is as it is. You get the numbers you get the gig.

Imagine you were talking to a room full of amateur activists, brought together let's say because you had got 30% of secretaries to provide support for an EGM.

Imagine again that most of that room hadn't bothered reading the draft OR because they just want to get on a play rugby, not politics.

What is it that YOU would say to that room that the draft OR causes problems with regard to the day to day administration of the game and players being able to play rugby.

Nows your chance, you've said enough to suggest problems with other people's motives about the situation . What is it YOU want? What should that room know,

#13 Marauder

Marauder
  • Coach
  • 11,808 posts

Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:06 AM

All this before ratification in October?

If you're so concerned about secrecy why not state loud and proud what your position or plan is. The constitution is as it is. You get the numbers you get the gig.

Imagine you were talking to a room full of amateur activists, brought together let's say because you had got 30% of secretaries to provide support for an EGM.

Imagine again that most of that room hadn't bothered reading the draft OR because they just want to get on a play rugby, not politics.

What is it that YOU would say to that room that the draft OR causes problems with regard to the day to day administration of the game and players being able to play rugby.

Nows your chance, you've said enough to suggest problems with other people's motives about the situation . What is it YOU want? What should that room know,

I Just wonder why David Gent felt the need to send his letter to community clubs  :sclerosis:


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.



http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/

#14 nec

nec
  • Coach
  • 2,353 posts

Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:56 AM

I Just wonder why David Gent felt the need to send his letter to community clubs :sclerosis:

Because the changes would affect them?

Seriously, if some of the professional committee politicians on here put their petty grievances, malignant politicking and ludicrous lack of judgement reference the relative importance of different issues to one side, the game would be thriving at all levels.

The RFL and above them the RLIF should be the sole point(s) of authority for the UK game. Any other bodies should be advisory only.
Rugby League is a sport that desperately needs to expand its geographical supporter base and its player base. This imperative means that all other requirements are secondary until this is done.

All power in the game should be with governing bodies, especially international governing bodies.

Without these actions we will remain a minor sport internationally and nationally.

#15 The 4 of Us

The 4 of Us
  • Coach
  • 1,696 posts

Posted 05 August 2013 - 11:27 AM

I Just wonder why David Gent felt the need to send his letter to community clubs :sclerosis:


Haven't you been calling for the information to be circulated further than district/regional leagues?

Perhaps they thought a few individuals in positions of influence were failing to pass on any/balanced information?

I'm with NEC the sooner there is one point of authority for the game the better. We complain the RFU get this that and the other and yet are in control of the games destiny.

#16 Impartial Observer

Impartial Observer
  • Coach
  • 471 posts

Posted 05 August 2013 - 11:28 AM

I Just wonder why David Gent felt the need to send his letter to community clubs  :sclerosis:

Maybe he thought if he just sent it to the leagues it wouldn't be passed on.



#17 LordCharles

LordCharles
  • Coach
  • 747 posts

Posted 05 August 2013 - 03:05 PM

All this before ratification in October?

If you're so concerned about secrecy why not state loud and proud what your position or plan is. The constitution is as it is. You get the numbers you get the gig.

Imagine you were talking to a room full of amateur activists, brought together let's say because you had got 30% of secretaries to provide support for an EGM.

Imagine again that most of that room hadn't bothered reading the draft OR because they just want to get on a play rugby, not politics.

What is it that YOU would say to that room that the draft OR causes problems with regard to the day to day administration of the game and players being able to play rugby.

Nows your chance, you've said enough to suggest problems with other people's motives about the situation . What is it YOU want? What should that room know,

 

That room will get to hear all it needs to when its convened at an EGM.



#18 Bedford Roughyed

Bedford Roughyed
  • Moderator
  • 5,361 posts

Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:33 PM

The emails asking for an EGM went out at the end of June, 6 weeks ago?  Surely an EGM would of been called by now if the numbers were there, especially as everyone wanted the EGM?


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#19 Bedford Roughyed

Bedford Roughyed
  • Moderator
  • 5,361 posts

Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:34 PM

Back to the operational rules, the RFL see's the need for them, BARLA see the need for them, every other sport has them?  Why the nashing of teeth? 

 

RU restricted RL players less.


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#20 LordCharles

LordCharles
  • Coach
  • 747 posts

Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:36 PM

The emails asking for an EGM went out at the end of June, 6 weeks ago?  Surely an EGM would of been called by now if the numbers were there, especially as everyone wanted the EGM?

 

Not strictly true.