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#1 walter sobchak

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 08:42 PM

George w bush has just underwent heart surgery to open a blocked heart artery, I wish Americas 43rd president a speedy recovery as I want him alive and well for when he's standing in the dock on trial in the Hague facing charges of crimes committed against humanity.

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 09:00 PM

George w bush has just underwent heart surgery to open a blocked heart artery, I wish Americas 43rd president a speedy recovery as I want him alive and well for when he's standing in the dock on trial in the Hague facing charges of crimes committed against humanity.


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#3 Bostik Bailey

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 09:04 PM

The advances in nano surgery amaze me

#4 Northern Sol

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 10:10 PM

George w bush has just underwent heart surgery to open a blocked heart artery, I wish Americas 43rd president a speedy recovery as I want him alive and well for when he's standing in the dock on trial in the Hague facing charges of crimes committed against humanity.

Which aspect of the "crimes against humanity" do you believe he is guilty of?

 

This is just something that the sillier end of the far left come out with, in reality, they are very shaky on the details because he didn't commit any offences.

 

He shouldn't have invaded Iraq but it's not a crime.



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Posted 07 August 2013 - 11:45 AM

George w bush has just underwent heart surgery to open a blocked heart artery, I wish Americas 43rd president a speedy recovery as I want him alive and well for when he's standing in the dock on trial in the Hague facing charges of crimes committed against humanity.

Are you being serious?

 

If you could put aside your prejudices you would realise that Bush deserves some sort of humanitarian medal for committing around $15 billion over five years (2003–2008) to fight the global HIV/AIDS pandemic.

 

It was his true legacy.

 

With a focus particularly on Africa, the programme increased the number of Africans receiving antiretroviral treatment (ART) from 50,000 at the start of the initiative in 2004 to at least 1.2 million in early 2008

 

Bush's programme was probably the largest health initiative ever initiated by one country to address a disease, and it has saved millions of lives by making ART widely available.

 

According to a 2009 study published in Annals of Internal Medicine,] the programme had averted about 1.1 million deaths in Africa and reduced the death rate due to AIDS in the countries involved by 10%.

 

Some crime against humanity!



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Posted 07 August 2013 - 12:24 PM

Are you being serious?

 

Unfortunately he is!


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Posted 07 August 2013 - 12:36 PM

Are you being serious?

If you could put aside your prejudices you would realise that Bush deserves some sort of humanitarian medal for committing around $15 billion over five years (2003–2008) to fight the global HIV/AIDS pandemic.

It was his true legacy.

With a focus particularly on Africa, the programme increased the number of Africans receiving antiretroviral treatment (ART) from 50,000 at the start of the initiative in 2004 to at least 1.2 million in early 2008

Bush's programme was probably the largest health initiative ever initiated by one country to address a disease, and it has saved millions of lives by making ART widely available.

According to a 2009 study published in Annals of Internal Medicine,] the programme had averted about 1.1 million deaths in Africa and reduced the death rate due to AIDS in the countries involved by 10%.

Some crime against humanity!

I don't agree with the original poster
But why is that his true legacy and not the other things he has done?
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Posted 07 August 2013 - 01:09 PM

I don't agree with the original poster
But why is that his true legacy and not the other things he has done?

Because it's the most long lasting, giving so many people the chance for life who otherwise would have just been another Aids statistic.



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Posted 07 August 2013 - 01:17 PM

..and integrated over the generations, too.

 

It still suits the UK's  pseudo-intellectual left in the media to have someone like Bush as a focus of their anit-Americanism



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Posted 07 August 2013 - 01:18 PM

One thing he definitely did was make his father look like a statesman


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Posted 07 August 2013 - 01:33 PM

One thing he definitely did was make his father look like a statesman

You're certainly right in one sense.

 

Despite everything he did in the fight against Aids, Bush never sought any particular credit for it.

 

He doesn't seem comfortable posing as a "statesman", and he has a self-deprecating sense of humour.

 

He is quite unlike many other politicians in not having an outsized ego.



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Posted 07 August 2013 - 01:37 PM

Because it's the most long lasting, giving so many people the chance for life who otherwise would have just been another Aids statistic.

 

 

Because it's the most long lasting, giving so many people the chance for life who otherwise would have just been another Aids statistic.

 

 

..and integrated over the generations, too.

 

It still suits the UK's  pseudo-intellectual left in the media to have someone like Bush as a focus of their anit-Americanism

not being keen on Bush doesn't make you a pseudo intellectual leftie or anti american

 

it might or might not be his most enduring act, but you are right to highlight its benefits to human kind but bush has a hell of a lot to answer for in the states and abroad.


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Posted 07 August 2013 - 01:41 PM

You're certainly right in one sense.

 

Despite everything he did in the fight against Aids, Bush never sought any particular credit for it.

 

He doesn't seem comfortable posing as a "statesman", and he has a self-deprecating sense of humour.

 

He is quite unlike many other politicians in not having an outsized ego.

 

 

You're certainly right in one sense.

 

Despite everything he did in the fight against Aids, Bush never sought any particular credit for it.

 

He doesn't seem comfortable posing as a "statesman", and he has a self-deprecating sense of humour.

 

He is quite unlike many other politicians in not having an outsized ego.

I agree

his aw shucks hick from the Texan sticks who mangles the english language and doesn't know where countries are act is a bit of a facade

 

and it was a very clever move for him to use his dad's influence to get him into the air national guard, thereby avoiding vietnam but still being able to say he was in the military.


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#14 walter sobchak

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 03:40 PM

Which aspect of the "crimes against humanity" do you believe he is guilty of?
 
This is just something that the sillier end of the far left come out with, in reality, they are very shaky on the details because he didn't commit any offences.
 
He shouldn't have invaded Iraq but it's not a crime.

How about the invasion of Iraq being illegal under international law as claimed by the then UN security general kofi annan who said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council and it was not in accordance with the UN's founding charter. How about the war being based on a pack of lies, like WMD's and links between saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. It's very telling of what you think about non westerners that you say he(bush) shouldn't have invaded Iraq but that it wasn't a crime, as if causing the death and wounding of hundreds of thousands of iraqis and destroying their country was just a mistake. I bet you wouldn't be saying it wasn't a crime if china or Iran had invaded a western country killing and wounding hundreds of thousands of innocent men women and children.

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 03:49 PM

Are you being serious?
 
If you could put aside your prejudices you would realise that Bush deserves some sort of humanitarian medal for committing around $15 billion over five years (2003–2008) to fight the global HIV/AIDS pandemic.
 
It was his true legacy.
 
With a focus particularly on Africa, the programme increased the number of Africans receiving antiretroviral treatment (ART) from 50,000 at the start of the initiative in 2004 to at least 1.2 million in early 2008
 
Bush's programme was probably the largest health initiative ever initiated by one country to address a disease, and it has saved millions of lives by making ART widely available.
 
According to a 2009 study published in Annals of Internal Medicine,] the programme had averted about 1.1 million deaths in Africa and reduced the death rate due to AIDS in the countries involved by 10%.
 
Some crime against humanity!

Why would I not be serious? You must have been exploring Antarctica for the past decade to have missed the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Any aid given to Africa to fight diseases and the global HIV/aids pandemic is drowned in the blood of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed and wounded in bush's Iraq war. Do you have anything to say about the killing and maiming of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis or is it ok because they're just Arabs/Muslims/Iraqis and there blood is cheap compared to westerners?

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 03:54 PM

How about the invasion of Iraq being illegal under international law as claimed by the then UN security general kofi annan who said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council and it was not in accordance with the UN's founding charter. How about the war being based on a pack of lies, like WMD's and links between saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. It's very telling of what you think about non westerners that you say he(bush) shouldn't have invaded Iraq but that it wasn't a crime, as if causing the death and wounding of hundreds of thousands of iraqis and destroying their country was just a mistake. I bet you wouldn't be saying it wasn't a crime if china or Iran had invaded a western country killing and wounding hundreds of thousands of innocent men women and children.

I'd be annoyed but I'd still say that it wasn't a crime. And the vast majority of the "hundreds of thousands" were killed by their own countrymen (or other Arabs) not the Americans.

 

The thing is that the war might have been illegal (debatable it's a grey area*) but fighting an illegal war isn't a war crime. If you think it is then tell me what the charge would be.

 

* what you missed off is that war can be legitimised also by treaty, in this case the ceasefire treaty after the first gulf war.



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Posted 07 August 2013 - 03:55 PM

Why would I not be serious? You must have been exploring Antarctica for the past decade to have missed the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Any aid given to Africa to fight diseases and the global HIV/aids pandemic is drowned in the blood of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed and wounded in bush's Iraq war. Do you have anything to say about the killing and maiming of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis or is it ok because they're just Arabs/Muslims/Iraqis and there blood is cheap compared to westerners?

An Iraqi plants a bomb and kills his neighbours and everybody blames the Americans for it.

 

It's never their fault, is it?



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Posted 07 August 2013 - 03:58 PM

..and integrated over the generations, too.
 
It still suits the UK's  pseudo-intellectual left in the media to have someone like Bush as a focus of their anit-Americanism

If hating bush qualifies you for being anti-American in your eyes, then 3/4's of Americans are anti-American because he left office with one of the lowest approval ratings of all time and was voted as one of the top 5 worst US presidents of all time.

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 04:03 PM

An Iraqi plants a bomb and kills his neighbours and everybody blames the Americans for it.
 
It's never their fault, is it?

Can you be a bit more specific, are you talking about the Iraqi casualties at the height of the resistance or the post US pullout?

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 04:06 PM

Can you be a bit more specific, are you talking about the Iraqi casualties at the height of the resistance or the post US pullout?

Any of them.

 

The Yanks have to take their share of the blame for destroying the Iraqi regime but the bulk of the blame lies with those carrying out the sectarian violence on their fellow Iraqis. The vast majority of deaths had very little to do with the Americans either before the pull-out or after the pull-out.

 

I'm no fan of Blair but he had a point when he said that the violence would have happened anyway when the Arab spring came along. Is the death toll in Syria any lower than Iraq?






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