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#21 TheMancunianCandidate

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:29 AM

Steeden stopped being a born and bred Rugby League brand in 1995 when Grey-Nicolls bought them out.  These days Steeden's are pretty much made in the same factory's that Gilbert's are made in India. 
 


Apologies to have to correct you, but the Steeden factory is a completely different one to the Gilbert one and is in fact in a different city.

The Steeden is still the players choice throughout the world and remains a born and bred Rugby League brand. Steeden are in it for the long term despite what rumours you may have heard or read, and progress is being made as we speak to allow Steeden to continue as the No 1 Rugby League ball in the UK.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 07:29 AM

Colquit has brought a hell of a lot of funding to RL in this country.

He's obviously brought more money in from Rhino than the RFL were getting from Steeden, and he was the former driector of Gillette UK who brought their sponsorship to the game for many years.

 

Regardless of the current issues with the ball our game needs more people like Colquit to get big business involved and bring much needed investment.



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Posted 19 August 2013 - 07:39 AM

having used both balls, in my opinion the Steeden is head and shoulders above the current Rhino ball. The Rhino ball can be really slippery, but that doesn't mean to say we should just switch back to Steeden. If Rhino are offering more money to supply balls, and can improve the current ball to a level where it is on par or better than the previous Steeden, then happy days. But the RFL need to (and should have to begin with) done some serious testing to make sure the ball is up to scratch.

 

If Rhino cant provide a ball as good as the Steeden then we need to revert back to the Steeden.


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#24 bar red

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 06:57 PM

Another knockathon in wet conditions!



#25 John Rhino

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 08:15 PM

flipside Steeden are a born and bred rugby league brand/company with a long history of producing RL footballs. Never heard of Rhino until the RFL announcement.


Wasn't the dreaded 8 panel ball a Rhino?

I know they made them as my club played with 8 panel Rhino balls back in the Rugby League Conference.

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#26 OMEGA

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 10:15 PM

Gilbert made the 8 panelled ball used in the 2000 World Cup

The Rhino ball is terrible in wet conditions, it didn't take the players long to realise this which is why one or two have been cautioned by the ref for squirting water on the ball before a drop out.

#27 Maximus Decimus

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 10:56 PM

Being the saddo that I am, I wanted to know whether the effect of the Rhino balls had shown up on the Opta statistics that are taken at every game.

They don't have a statistic for knock ons but they do for errors. Whilst this can include a number of things, you'd expect there to be an increase. The results surprised me. On average in 2012 there were 24.8 errors per game and in 2013 so far there has been an average of 24.8 errors per game. Remarkably consistent I'm sure you'll agree.

This does seem counter however to the recent RL that we have seen. I certainly don't recall many games like today, Warrington last week or Hulls quarter final for sheer number of knock ons. There seems to be a lot that slip out the tackle too and the players on twitter seem to dislike the ball.

#28 Spidey

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 10:00 AM

Maybe players are being shown up as not having the same skill to control the ball now?  Back in the day in the mud and rain that happened every week players had to learn how to catch and control the ball without the aids of grips on the ball



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Posted 27 August 2013 - 10:13 AM

Maybe players are being shown up as not having the same skill to control the ball now?  Back in the day in the mud and rain that happened every week players had to learn how to catch and control the ball without the aids of grips on the ball

But wasn't the game a lot slower back then?


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#30 Maximus Decimus

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 10:54 AM

Maybe players are being shown up as not having the same skill to control the ball now?  Back in the day in the mud and rain that happened every week players had to learn how to catch and control the ball without the aids of grips on the ball

 

I don't think this is true otherwise we would see a gradual decreasing of skills down through the leagues and always would have done. When Widnes were in the lower reaches of the Championship we didn't see this anything like this amount of handling errors. 



#31 Larry the Leit

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 06:42 PM

Maybe players are being shown up as not having the same skill to control the ball now? Back in the day in the mud and rain that happened every week players had to learn how to catch and control the ball without the aids of grips on the ball


Nah.

The ball is promoted by 1-13 far more hear days, it's the norm rather than the exception. The Rhino is a dud compared to The Steeden.

#32 Griff9of13

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 03:01 PM

A friend of mine attended a forum at Saints on Wednesday night and this subject was raised. Someone from Saints (Mike Rush) said he believed the Rhino deal was worth a total of £1,500 more to the RFL then the Steeden deal. :O

 

I asked my mate if that was for the life of the deal or per year and he wasn't sure. 


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#33 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 04:01 PM

Anyone remember the old mitre balls? They were hard to catch in any conditions especially slippy ones. However players rarely dropped the ball and had great handling skills

#34 Larry the Leit

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 04:59 PM

Anyone remember the old mitre balls? They were hard to catch in any conditions especially slippy ones. However players rarely dropped the ball and had great handling skills


Poor quality trolling.

#35 Griff9of13

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 06:01 PM

Poor quality trolling.


Trolling? How so?
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#36 Hornetto

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 08:16 AM

Anyone remember the old mitre balls? They were hard to catch in any conditions especially slippy ones. However players rarely dropped the ball and had great handling skills

Bring back the old-skool Mitre Multiplex


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#37 redjonn

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 09:39 AM

Being the saddo that I am, I wanted to know whether the effect of the Rhino balls had shown up on the Opta statistics that are taken at every game.

They don't have a statistic for knock ons but they do for errors. Whilst this can include a number of things, you'd expect there to be an increase. The results surprised me. On average in 2012 there were 24.8 errors per game and in 2013 so far there has been an average of 24.8 errors per game. Remarkably consistent I'm sure you'll agree.

This does seem counter however to the recent RL that we have seen. I certainly don't recall many games like today, Warrington last week or Hulls quarter final for sheer number of knock ons. There seems to be a lot that slip out the tackle too and the players on twitter seem to dislike the ball.

 

I guess the weather would be a factor and hence needs comparison as that could hide any statistical discrepancy.

 

The eye opener for me was the Hull v Catalan CC game... both teams spilling the ball so often their had to be an issue...



#38 Scubby

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 09:49 AM

I guess the weather would be a factor and hence needs comparison as that could hide any statistical discrepancy.

 

The eye opener for me was the Hull v Catalan CC game... both teams spilling the ball so often their had to be an issue...

 

I agree. I picked this up straight away and it spoilt the game for me a little. I knew this was so slippy it was going to be dropped the whole way through so was expecting it. It was the same feeling at the CCF.

 

Yet, this week everything was back to normal. So how the ball behaves in the wet is an real issue.



#39 Futtocks

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 09:59 AM

Players to have input in new ball design.


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 11:24 AM

Being the saddo that I am, I wanted to know whether the effect of the Rhino balls had shown up on the Opta statistics that are taken at every game.

They don't have a statistic for knock ons but they do for errors. Whilst this can include a number of things, you'd expect there to be an increase. The results surprised me. On average in 2012 there were 24.8 errors per game and in 2013 so far there has been an average of 24.8 errors per game. Remarkably consistent I'm sure you'll agree.

This does seem counter however to the recent RL that we have seen. I certainly don't recall many games like today, Warrington last week or Hulls quarter final for sheer number of knock ons. There seems to be a lot that slip out the tackle too and the players on twitter seem to dislike the ball.

It should be remembered that it rained all summer in 2012, whereas this year has been unusually dry.






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