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#301 Wolford6

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 07:53 AM

Is slavery ok?

 

 

It's certainly true that our social  history syllabuses make much of Wilberforce and his campaign to emancipate slaves. Not quite as much about our enslaving them in the first place.


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#302 archibald

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 08:24 AM

. Not quite as much about our enslaving them in the first place.

So, based on this, if New Zealand they're going to bring back slavery we should keep our noses out.



#303 Wolford6

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 09:18 AM

We are keeping our noses out of the slavery in Saudi Arabia.


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#304 gingerjon

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 09:28 AM

So, based on this, if New Zealand they're going to bring back slavery we should keep our noses out.

 

If New Zealand did suggest this what should our reaction be?


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#305 archibald

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 09:46 AM

We are keeping our noses out of the slavery in Saudi Arabia.

What slavery in SA



#306 archibald

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 09:49 AM

If New Zealand did suggest this what should our reaction be?

Could be wide ranging. Suggesting it should bring one reaction, actually going through with it then mass murdering the slaves who try and be free, another.

 

The point is, just because we've "aided" slavery in the past, do we forfeit the right to be outraged by it now?



#307 Wolford6

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 10:08 AM

What slavery in SA

 

 

http://dailycaller.c...-in-california/

 

http://www.arabianbu...ry--511495.html

 

http://frontpagemag....le-on-facebook/

 

http://globalpublics...ry-in-the-gulf/


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#308 Wolford6

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 10:16 AM

 

The point is, just because we've "aided" slavery in the past, do we forfeit the right to be outraged by it now?

 

Most people don't realise that, irrespective of colour or creed, they are descended from slaves. Again, English history perverts the truth by referring to our ancestors as "villeins" or "serfs".

 

The fact is, for any westerner in  the twentfirst century, the concept of slavery is abhorrent. Not so for those fundamental muslim groupings whose objective is to enslave non-moslems. That's why we should stay out of those organisations' campaigns in their own countries and wipe them out in ours.


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#309 archibald

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:11 AM

Ok, well the first one isn't slavery. Neither is the second. Nor the third. The fourth is the same non slavery as the second.



#310 Wolford6

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:27 AM

Ok, well the first one isn't slavery. Neither is the second. Nor the third. The fourth is the same non slavery as the second.

 

 

Best tell Amnesty International then, I'm sure they'll be grateful for your advice.

 

http://www.amnesty.o...CFfHKtAodjFwAkQ


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#311 gingerjon

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:31 AM

Best tell Amnesty International then, I'm sure they'll be grateful for your advice.

 

http://www.amnesty.o...CFfHKtAodjFwAkQ

 

We should bomb Amnesty.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:35 AM

Best tell Amnesty International then, I'm sure they'll be grateful for your advice.

 

http://www.amnesty.o...CFfHKtAodjFwAkQ

There's a common theme surrounding the "slavery" examples you provided. I wonder why.



#313 Wolford6

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:35 AM

On a slight tangent, has anyone else noticed how Shami Chakrarbarti has recently become quite a bit more conciliatory and (to my mind) reasonable in her views?


Edited by Wolford6, 09 September 2013 - 11:36 AM.

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#314 Wolford6

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 12:20 PM

There's a common theme surrounding the "slavery" examples you provided. I wonder why.

 

 

Probably this:

http://frontpagemag....islamic-racism/


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#315 gingerjon

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 12:23 PM

On a slight tangent, has anyone else noticed how Shami Chakrarbarti has recently become quite a bit more conciliatory and (to my mind) reasonable in her views?

 

I think she's always been pretty reasonably but badly portrayed by a lot of the media.


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#316 ckn

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 12:47 PM

I think she's always been pretty reasonably but badly portrayed by a lot of the media.

Yep, she's been the victim of some pretty cynical editing of her speeches and interviews over the years.  The greatest majority of the things she says are quite reasonable and far more restrained and rational than people give her credit for.


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#317 Northern Sol

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 12:51 PM

Best tell Amnesty International then, I'm sure they'll be grateful for your advice.
 
http://www.amnesty.o...CFfHKtAodjFwAkQ


Unfortunately Amnesty International aren't all they are cracked up to be.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:20 AM

Back to Syria and iran's foreign minister supports Russia's plan of removing all of assad's chemical weapons out of Syria under international control, you'd have to expect that a guarantee from the US of not attacking Syria would also have to be on the table as this would leave Syria wide open for foreign military intervention.

#319 Wolford6

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:28 AM

What is becoming more and more apparent is that Assad is the lesser of two evils.

 

I think the motivation of the west now is to accelerate his retention in return for an amnesty for all Syrians. Then we will no longer have to pay the upkeep for a couple of million refugees


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:32 AM

What is becoming more and more apparent is that Assad is the lesser of two evils.
 
I think the motivation of the west now is to accelerate his retention in return for an amnesty for all Syrians. Then we will no longer have to pay the upkeep for a couple of million refugees


"Amnesty" - exactly how much do you think that would be worth?




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