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Syria and Obama


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#341 gingerjon

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 07:24 PM

Well they aren't planning an intervention and never have been.

 

Well they aren't planning an intervention and never have been.

 

*points*

 

*laughs*

 

*laughs some more*


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#342 walter sobchak

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:11 PM

Well they aren't planning an intervention and never have been.


Oh dear, both houses of congress are about to vote on whether to give president Obama military authorization to strike syria. Also Barack Obama has just given 6 separate interviews to 6 different US news channels and is about to address the nation tonight in order to make the case for military strikes to a sceptical and war wary nation that only 11% currently support military action against Syria.

#343 Methven Hornet

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:20 PM

The Islamist regimes will ultimately be brought down like the Iron Curtain was ... not by guns but by Coca Cola, western pop music, western fashion,  western TV, internet porn  and Levi jeans. Their youngsters will refuse to put up with oppression from ageing theocrats. Iran will be the first to fall ... it has a very young population-range, national elections and a relatively good level of education. The rest will follow when their regimes can't be propped up by Iranian petrodollars. 
 
All we have to do is wait twenty years.


I seem to remember a backlash against such things did contribute to the uprising against the Shah. Not internet porn, of course, but then such indulgences hardly makes one an active revolutionary.
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#344 Methven Hornet

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:22 PM

Well they aren't planning an intervention and never have been.


The US and France aren't planning an intervention and never have been. Is that what you're saying?
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#345 GeordieSaint

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 10:15 PM

Deleted - can't be bothered anymore.


Edited by GeordieSaint, 10 September 2013 - 10:31 PM.

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#346 walter sobchak

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 03:29 AM

Deleted - can't be bothered anymore.


LOL, You mean you've put your foot in it and wont admit it.

#347 ckn

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 10:17 AM

LOL, You mean you've put your foot in it and wont admit it.

Just because someone decides they can't be bothered doesn't mean you've won the argument, it may just mean that someone with specific and detailed experience of the subject matter at hand as a day job can't be bothered explaining the same thing again and again only for it to be misinterpreted, willfully by some.

 

A punitive strike on Syria for their chemical weapons strike is not an intervention in Syria.  For me, that's obvious.  I am willing to admit though that I may be looking at this from a militaristic interpretation of the word "intervention", my interpretation of the word is a substantive "taking sides" interpretation rather than the "any sort of action" that seems to be the interpretation others have used on here.  I've not seen anything from any of the governments involved, US, UK or France, that suggests we're even remotely interested in regime change as a result of this.  If there were then I'd not support it, I'd strongly condemn it, as I did in the other thread a couple of months ago about arming the rebels.


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#348 walter sobchak

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 01:55 PM

Just because someone decides they can't be bothered doesn't mean you've won the argument, it may just mean that someone with specific and detailed experience of the subject matter at hand as a day job can't be bothered explaining the same thing again and again only for it to be misinterpreted, willfully by some.
 
A punitive strike on Syria for their chemical weapons strike is not an intervention in Syria.  For me, that's obvious.  I am willing to admit though that I may be looking at this from a militaristic interpretation of the word "intervention", my interpretation of the word is a substantive "taking sides" interpretation rather than the "any sort of action" that seems to be the interpretation others have used on here.  I've not seen anything from any of the governments involved, US, UK or France, that suggests we're even remotely interested in regime change as a result of this.  If there were then I'd not support it, I'd strongly condemn it, as I did in the other thread a couple of months ago about arming the rebels.

It's not a case of me being right and geordiesaint being wrong but a matter of being factually correct. Geordiesaint has/is claiming that the US isn't planning on military intervention in Syria all while Barack Obama put a resolution up for vote to both houses of congress, the house and senate asking for military authorization in which to strike Syria, not to mention Obama appearing on 6 different cable news channels outlining his position and trying to win over and drum up support from a war wary and spectical US public. Also a "punitive" strike on Syria is no different than a full blown out "shock and awe" type bombardment , it's still military intervention and the Syrians wouldn't view it any differently and why should they. Would we(UK) or the US think that a "punitive" strike carried out against us by another country wasn't military intervention or war?

#349 fieldofclothofgold

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 03:19 PM

Its going to be ok the American Empire is going to strike with flowers and comfy cushions


but you and I weve been through that and this is not our fate.
So let us so let us not talk falsely now.
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#350 chuffer

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 09:53 AM

the whole debacle has made Obama and Cameron look like right muppets while Putin the Great comes out looking like a true heroic picture of diplomacy:

 

http://www.nytimes.c...a.html?hp&_r=2


Edited by chuffer, 12 September 2013 - 09:54 AM.


#351 walter sobchak

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 01:19 PM

Putin, peace and world opinion 1, Obama, MIC and al Qaeda 0.

#352 John Drake

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 09:46 AM

Syria given November deadline to destroy all chemical weapons facilities
Inspections to begin next week after UN votes unanimously to impose inspections on Syria under accelerated timetable
http://www.theguardi...eapons-november
 

Good news.

 

After the security council vote, the US secretary of state, John Kerry, said: "Security council shows diplomacy can be so powerful, it can defuse the worst weapons. If this resolution is implemented, we will have eliminated one of the biggest chemical weapons arsenals on earth, in one of the most volatile regions on earth."

 

He's changed his tune. I'm glad. I think the British Parliament vote can take some of the credit here. So much for our lack of influence.


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