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#21 grumpyoldram

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 09:05 AM

For the uninitiated here are the interpretations of some common SL sky terminologies with it's championship equivalent, please feel free to add :

 

"He just needs to get it off the Island Stevo "                                                          Gerrit in touch

"He's a big unit alright"                                                                                            He's a fat prop

"They should have gone downstairs"                                                                      Legs Dewsbury - legs

"Ooohargh it's getting a bit tasty"                                                                            Handbags

"Whoaho how about that for a big hit - now it's getting really tasty"                        Somebody's made a half decent tackle

"They should have gone upstairs "                                                                          Referee hasn't a clue - where's the video ref

"And that is why superleague is simply the best sport in the world eddie"              Somebody has actually made a break and scored

"This will be awarded by Bentham -  the big TeeRI no doubt about that"                Leeds have been awarded a try despite the winger being in touch

"That came off the props head, hit the opposition hooker and bounced                  Cummings hasn't a clue either

forwards into the arms of the scrum half - that's either offside or play on"

 

I'm thinking of doing a rugby thesaurus. :shout:



#22 marshy1

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 10:00 AM

Sorry to jump in on your forum but I have to agree that there is a distinct lack of flair players in RL now.

 

I was at Wembley on Saturday and for the first time in 28yrs I questioned if I had got value for money and in my opinion I didn't feel I did.

 

Getting to Wembley from central London was a nightmare due to tube disruption then I find the seats I had was on the very back row behind the Hull end, which I would have coped with if the Stadium was full ( I know there is the club Wembley seating areas) why oh why didn't the RL ticketing staff work everybody down to at least give the impression of a near sell out. Then there was the usual grumble about programme ( £8.00) prices and refreshments.

 

All in all the whole weekend has cost me best part of £ 600.00 will I do it again...you bet because irrespective of players from days gone by or now, we still have the greatest game to watch.



#23 DavidM

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 10:42 AM

Agree about talking like Aussies ... You hear it on SL full time every week . Our coaches think if they talk like Phil Gould then folk will think they coach like him ! How often do you hear in broad Yorkie tones ... ' we had a real good dig today ' , ' there's some sore bodies in the sheds ' , ' it was a hell of an arm wrestle ' , ' we stuck to the game plan ' etc etc ..... And my all time biggest cringer , ' what great D ' . Yes that's you Brian Noble !!! Anyone who says D instead of defence should be sacked !!! So annoying .

#24 Ackroman

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 11:22 AM

It's worthwhile dropping in on club threads from time to time because they bring up crackers like this one.

 

I couldn't agree more about the "quality" of top flight RL. Saturday was a massive embarrassment. 

 

I also agree about the format and analysis becoming the only talking point but this isn't just a disease in RL, it's a consequence of TV dominating the game.



#25 TheTerminator

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 11:52 AM

Agree totally about the lack of flair sacrificed for regimentation. Don't know about you, but I struggle with understanding current terminology. I haven't a clue what Robbie Paul talks about, thought Offence and DEEfence were attack and defending, drop offs, etc etc...??? Not only have we surrendered the rules to the Aussies we now have to talk like them too. (Before any smart Alec comes on, I know he's a New Zealander!) No contested scrums, no shoulder charges, rarely a forward pass given, video refs who still get it wrong, no this, no that... the whole game has disappeared, and specialist positions are now obsolete. all SL needs is 17 big fit 2nd row types, throw the names at the wall and up comes a team. Hookers. loose forwards, all gone. Can't think of another contact sport which is non-contact! that said, having watched a bit if NRL, they're no better, it's all about formations, big hits, but no ball skills to speak of either, even they have lost the Langers and Fittlers, just as we have no more Gregorys and ...well I'm struggling!!

In terms of isolating some forgotten skills, I'm struggling to remember the last time I saw a prop forward push through a tackle and slip the ball away to a supporting player - a la Crooks, Kevin Ward or even our very own Neil Kellett. I'm sure Neil himself would be the first to admit that he was hardly a great athlete, but some of the moments of sheer handling brilliance he regularly executed were worth the admission money alone. During the State of Origin series earlier this year, when Premier Sports were showing some great matches from the past, I was alarmed by how mundane and formulaic the modern RL has become in comparison to what I witnessed. Sure, games were a little chaotic and disorganised - and the odd beer belly was floating about (as opposed to the musclebound gym machines of today), but the skills on show were by far and away superior to what we see nowadays. No kicks to the corner on the last tackle, either. How boring has that play become?

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#26 DavidM

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 11:59 AM

Best bit of those old Origins ? The great biff you seen . Pity you have watch old games to see it now ( un PC I know ) . Guys going head on and the commentators giving classic lines like ' How goods this ! Two big blokes having a go , nothing wrong with that ' , and ' there's been plenty of this in origin but this is one of the best !!! ' . No biff , no shoulder charge , no dominant defence , no shoving blokes back or over the touch line now ... Administrators have forgot that physical dominance and intimidation is a big part of the game , and you can make ground without the ball as you do with the ball . Everything's a penalty now or outlawed . Stop sanitising the game I love !!!

Edited by DavidM, 27 August 2013 - 12:01 PM.


#27 Blind side johnny

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 09:32 AM

In terms of isolating some forgotten skills, I'm struggling to remember the last time I saw a prop forward push through a tackle and slip the ball away to a supporting player - a la Crooks, Kevin Ward or even our very own Neil Kellett. I'm sure Neil himself would be the first to admit that he was hardly a great athlete, but some of the moments of sheer handling brilliance he regularly executed were worth the admission money alone. During the State of Origin series earlier this year, when Premier Sports were showing some great matches from the past, I was alarmed by how mundane and formulaic the modern RL has become in comparison to what I witnessed. Sure, games were a little chaotic and disorganised - and the odd beer belly was floating about (as opposed to the musclebound gym machines of today), but the skills on show were by far and away superior to what we see nowadays. No kicks to the corner on the last tackle, either. How boring has that play become?

 

 

I think that insufficient credit is given here to modern day defences. That is what prevents most of the "skills" and "dazzling props" that you recall from the past from being in evidence nowadays. Modern day players are no less skilled than those from the past, they simply have less time and space in which to exhibit such skills. Much of this is, admittedly down to much greater fitness, but is that such a bad thing?

 

I recall, many years ago (in the good old days) standing in the paddock at Headingley having watched Bradford wallop Leeds when the general consensus of the ageing Leeds fans was that Leeds were clearly the better more skilled side, it was just that Bradford were fitter - a fact that was viewed with no little contempt. Plus ca change...........


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#28 TheTerminator

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:16 PM

I think that insufficient credit is given here to modern day defences. That is what prevents most of the "skills" and "dazzling props" that you recall from the past from being in evidence nowadays. Modern day players are no less skilled than those from the past, they simply have less time and space in which to exhibit such skills. Much of this is, admittedly down to much greater fitness, but is that such a bad thing?

 

I recall, many years ago (in the good old days) standing in the paddock at Headingley having watched Bradford wallop Leeds when the general consensus of the ageing Leeds fans was that Leeds were clearly the better more skilled side, it was just that Bradford were fitter - a fact that was viewed with no little contempt. Plus ca change...........

 

Unfortunately, it is such a bad thing when the 'product' (another Aussie-ism) has become so mundane and devoid of style. Good defence is, of course, a part of the sport that is equal to attack in terms of its importance, however I don't know anyone who goes to a game with a hungered desire to see a fantastic defensive display. As for modern day players being as skilful as their predecessors, I have to disagree with your opinion. It's not that they aren't capable of them, just that they don't seem to be coached or given any credence - judging by what we see week in week out.


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