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Mike Calvin- Unadulterated Rubbish


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#261 bobbruce

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:11 PM

Sooty about the mis-understanding mate I was being deliberately obtuse to make a point, if you read the rest of the post I did suggest that this was tripe.


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#262 Johnoco

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:19 PM

Didn't the RFL try doing what you suggest with some papers sports editors a few years ago. All that happened is they all gave their invite away to their mates.

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#263 RidingPie

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 07:48 AM

I'll tell you a story that I think illustrates one difference between our sport and the other code.
 
Some years ago we employed a reporter to cover occasional London games who also covered Wasps games for a national newspaper in the days when they played at Queens Park Rangers' Loftus Road ground.
 
One day I asked him to explain the differences between the reception he received from Wasps, and from London Broncos.,
 
He told me that Wasps always telephoned his newspaper to inquire who would be covering them. They would then contact the writer to invite him to join them for a three-course meal before the game, meeting all the corporate guests and the club's directors and leading officials. They would then, bearing in mind that they played in winter, give him a hip-flask of whisky to take into the press box. After the game he had access to the coaches and any player he wanted to speak to.
 
As he said to me, how could he write anything bad about the club when they treated him that way?
 
Needless to say with the Broncos, no one ever contacted him before the game, he was never given any hospitality, and the club ignored him, in so far as they could, on game day. They made little effort to make players available after the game.
 
Why do you think the Broncos never get much publicity in London?


Sadly I'm not surprised at all by that story Martyn. Whilst I'm sure some clubs are better than others we've really got a lot to learn at clubs level and as a sport overall.

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#264 Futtocks

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 08:44 AM

Didn't the RFL try doing what you suggest with some papers sports editors a few years ago. All that happened is they all gave their invite away to their mates.

I do know that when the RFL have had event launches, even in London, very few national papers bothered to take up their invitations.

 

The usual suspects in the media sneer that RL is a marginalised sport, but who does the marginalising? Their lazy, narrowminded mentality, which means 99% of their attention goes to Football and Old Fart Sports, while anything else* struggles to get even a passing mention. And, in its own unique position, Rugby League which gets more mentions, but only if the stories are negative.

 

*for instance, the British MotoGP which, last year had a combined attendance of 146,000 over the weekend. I suspect the majority of the British public didn't know it was happening if they read the papers or listened to TalkSport and Radio 5.


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#265 Martyn Sadler

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 09:11 AM

Sadly I'm not surprised at all by that story Martyn. Whilst I'm sure some clubs are better than others we've really got a lot to learn at clubs level and as a sport overall.

Our clubs have got far worse in recent years, although I'm generalising of course.

 

I'll be writing about what happened at the Cup Final in my column this week.



#266 RidingPie

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 09:51 AM

Our clubs have got far worse in recent years, although I'm generalising of course.
 
I'll be writing about what happened at the Cup Final in my column this week.


That will be an interesting read! I'll look forward to that!

#267 gingerjon

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 10:03 AM

Why do you think the Broncos never get much publicity in London?

 

Because the Evening Standard only prints stories about soccer, rugby union, cricket and establishment events.


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#268 crusadin_photoman

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 02:48 PM

But that's just a typical Welshman anyway. You lot are like Scotsmen with the generosity removed.

Ahem...I am English mate!



#269 flyingking

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 03:08 PM

Further to Futtock's point a couple of other sports which got scarce mentions over the weekend. England's women hockey team picked up their second silver medal of the season after losing to Germany on penalties, and Britain's equestrians had a brilliant European Championship picking up loads of medals. However to read the papers the only sport that apparently happened was that some footballer might join Madrid, and that England cricketers need help in locating the nearest urinal.
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#270 Futtocks

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 03:25 PM

However to read the papers the only sport that apparently happened was that some footballer might join Madrid, and that England cricketers need help in locating the nearest urinal.

And the Formula 1, of course.


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#271 deluded pom?

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 03:40 PM

Further to Futtock's point a couple of other sports which got scarce mentions over the weekend. England's women hockey team picked up their second silver medal of the season after losing to Germany on penalties, and Britain's equestrians had a brilliant European Championship picking up loads of medals. However to read the papers the only sport that apparently happened was that some footballer might join Madrid, and that England cricketers need help in locating the nearest urinal.

I know where you're coming from mate but SL is allegedly the third or fourth best sport on SS for viewing figures and I don't see why we shouldn't get comparitive coloumn inches. No offence to women's hockey or the equestrian people.

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#272 Futtocks

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 03:57 PM

I know where you're coming from mate but SL is allegedly the third or fourth best sport on SS for viewing figures and I don't see why we shouldn't get comparitive coloumn inches. No offence to women's hockey or the equestrian people.

I think the point he's making is the same as mine. Sports journalists only pay attention to a narrow spectrum of sports, while the rest get little if any attention, however popular they may be.


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#273 flyingking

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 04:43 PM

Nigel Wiskar's response http://www.mirror.co...otahuhu-2236842


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#274 Just Browny

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 05:48 PM

Am I missing something in Martyn's story? Surely comparing the treatment of a journo in a national paper (who isn't obliged to comeback and reaches a potentially huge new audience) with a trade paper journo (very important, but ultimately they're not going to boycott the game) is chalk and cheese.

 

Nigel Wiskar's piece is great, put a smile on my face.


I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.


#275 redjonn

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 11:30 AM

 

Didn't the RFL try doing what you suggest with some papers sports editors a few years ago. All that happened is they all gave their invite away to their mates.

 

Depends how its done and what effort you put in to make a interesting experience for them.  The RL may have put in lots of effort I don't know but you can't just simple invite and hope.  Not saying that was all they did, but if they did then I would expect that to be the result.

 

Its not rocket science but it takes lots of time and effort and some imagination. The group of editors you mention are a very small grouping which makes it easier on one hand but harder in ensuring tuned in to need.  I know the following is obvious but its where the time and effort that comes of pain-staking relationship building comes in. In our business we put in huge time and effort to get the journalists to attend.  You can always get them the first time but the real key is getting them to subsequent events. That is where the real hard work comes in and hence you have to make the experience as good, informative and useful.  You do that by knowing the targeted people by having a relationship with them and hence creating something that attunes to what is on there “collective” mind at a specific moment in time. That of course takes time and effort but from which you can create something that will be of strong interest even if the game is of secondary importance to the agenda and experience you create.



#276 Johnoco

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 02:49 PM

Of course, if more RL fans actually attended the big games instead of looking for reasons not to, and therefore giving us full stadia, i am pretty sure most of these journalists would find a reason to attend.

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#277 deluded pom?

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 02:58 PM

Next (if there is one) time Michael Calvin attends a RL event he should be plied with Moët & Chandon and given a room at the best hotel in town and given "access" to some of the best professional ladies or boys (which ever appeals to him) available. Not forgetting the two way mirror and video camera for a little "insurance".

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#278 BULLETT

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 07:28 PM

Not posted for a short while but feel as i was at this game  I will had my pennies worth.

 

I thank you Michael Calvin for your report as me and my daughter agree with your observations of this league game.

 

We walked up Wembley way, dodging the rain and we witnessed the 'works outings' and the 'phoenixes night’s extras' and you know what…. We loved it ! !

 

Sorry Michael this is what league is about , get over it  you part time bushwaker.



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Posted 03 September 2013 - 03:38 PM

Not posted for a short while but feel as i was at this game  I will had my pennies worth.

 

I thank you Michael Calvin for your report as me and my daughter agree with your observations of this league game.

 

We walked up Wembley way, dodging the rain and we witnessed the 'works outings' and the 'phoenixes night’s extras' and you know what…. We loved it ! !

 

Sorry Michael this is what league is about , get over it  you part time bushwaker.

 

The problem is, is that Calvin wanted to talk about our game in negative terms, he wanted to be critical and to describe our game as an annual crusade of idiots.- He referred to Satellite TV as the Ghetto and i believe he was also referring to the Towns and cities where this great game is played.

His words were dispicable, and here was a journalist who simply had no idea what he was talking about.. I have not bothered to reply on Twitter because he is the real fool parading around the corporate hospitality boxes of the UK like a lounge room Lizard






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