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Burgess brothers set to rewrite history


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#41 Adelaide Tiger

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 04:55 AM

All week the Sports news shows and RL shows have spoke about this, never mind the media columns. Its been massively hyped and it has been great to watch.

I put the TV on about 10 minutes before kick off and there was Gus Gould doing a pre recorded interview with all 4 of them. All 4 appear made for TV with their relaxed style and not one 'you know' uttered. They spoke about their upbringing, their parents, how they always wanted to play in the same team. They each came across as genuine lads who are level headed. The interview must have lasted 7-8 minutes.

Julie Burgess's celebration when Luke scored was great TV. What was also fantastic to see was to see her being escorted across the pitch at the end by Freddy Fittler whilst being interviewed by him. Then all 5 git together to celebrate on the oitch whilst being interviewed together. Top stuff.

#42 faz'_nose

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 05:57 AM

Perhaps I'm getting 'carried away' but it's reached a point where I'd put all four of them in the England squad. James Graham and these four monsters, added to the mid-season squad, offer more than a little bit of extra fire power. Graham and George are particularly highly regarded and many (not all) regard Sam as the best forward in the game. Additionally, Widdop is allegedly closing in on match fitness too.

#43 South Wakefield Sharks

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 11:20 AM

Perhaps I'm getting 'carried away' but it's reached a point where I'd put all four of them in the England squad. James Graham and these four monsters, added to the mid-season squad, offer more than a little bit of extra fire power. Graham and George are particularly highly regarded and many (not all) regard Sam as the best forward in the game. Additionally, Widdop is allegedly closing in on match fitness too.


Not sure all of them deserve to be in the England squad, but they certainly add a by of competition to the squad and we should certainly have a great pack for the World Cup, if we avoid any serious injuries between now and then.

#44 faz'_nose

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 11:36 AM

Not sure all of them deserve to be in the England squad, but they certainly add a by of competition to the squad and we should certainly have a great pack for the World Cup, if we avoid any serious injuries between now and then.


I appreciate your point, assuming that you're referring to Luke and (perhaps) Tom. As you say, they add competition - at the very least.

#45 bobbruce

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 03:38 PM

Given the 23 man squad is going to consist of 6 props, 5 backrowers, 2 hookers and 10 backs I think there is room, and they will be there on merit. S. Burgess will prob not be classed as a prop.

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G. Burgess
T. Burgess
L. Burgess
J. Graham
E. Crabtree
L. Mossop

With Sam as cover would be a great forward line up and I can't think of anyone who would be an automatic selection ahead of these boys. This leaves Sam, Ellis, westwood, O'Loughlin and ANOther as the back row.


Sam and George should be nailed on I would take a gamble on Tom for his impact. Don't think Luke is good enough I would go with Hill to take his spot.

#46 Harrigan

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 08:34 AM

What you have to remember about Luke is that he's been injured for pretty much 3 of the last 4 years and is, what, 4 games back into his NRL career? He's been getting better week in week. Lets see how he's progressed over the next month and talk about him then.

On the same note, when Tom came into the team he looked solid if unspectacular. Now he's having a similar impact to George when he takes the ball up. It may be a season too early but jeez, these 2 are going to carry that South (and the Test) pack for years to come.

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#47 boxhead

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 01:42 PM

The Burgess boys have done well, there is no doubt about that.

I am not sure if their achievements in the NRL make them certainties for the English Test team? I do not see enough of SL to have an informed view.

Beating Club sides it one thing, even if that Club side has a Test Prop in their pack.

It is not the same as beating a Test pack with the best of the best representing their nation in a Test game.

Its looking good for England for the World Cup.

I fear the backs are not quite good enough and the generals of the team in the Halves are not anywhere near good enough or balanced to make the team deliver its potential.

You need 2/3 to win IMO.

Better Forwards

Better Halves

Better outside Backs.

England may have the Forwards but as the saying goes "Forwards win games" that has not been seen recently. Englands Pack has been touted as the best in the game for a decade (in England)

Either Forwards do not win games or they have not been as good as imagined.

 

Top class Halfbacks win more games IMO, they get the best from a team and deliver what is needed to get a result.


Edited by AndyCapp, 02 September 2013 - 01:44 PM.


#48 christopher

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 03:27 PM

Love how people on here bang on about picking form players for England in one breath then say Luke Burgess should be picked just because ge plays in the NRL. He's been injured for most of the season, only just got back in the side and TBH we have far better options at prop than him.

Sam and George should be the only Burgesses in the England squad.

#49 Dave T

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 03:46 PM

The Burgess boys have done well, there is no doubt about that.

I am not sure if their achievements in the NRL make them certainties for the English Test team? I do not see enough of SL to have an informed view.

Beating Club sides it one thing, even if that Club side has a Test Prop in their pack.

It is not the same as beating a Test pack with the best of the best representing their nation in a Test game.

Its looking good for England for the World Cup.

I fear the backs are not quite good enough and the generals of the team in the Halves are not anywhere near good enough or balanced to make the team deliver its potential.

You need 2/3 to win IMO.

Better Forwards

Better Halves

Better outside Backs.

England may have the Forwards but as the saying goes "Forwards win games" that has not been seen recently. Englands Pack has been touted as the best in the game for a decade (in England)

Either Forwards do not win games or they have not been as good as imagined.

 

Top class Halfbacks win more games IMO, they get the best from a team and deliver what is needed to get a result.

Aye, can't really disagree.

 

I don't doubt that our team is not as good as the Aussie team, but what we do need to do is have the confidence and composure to know that in a one-off game anything can happen. The Kiwis have proven on a couple of occasions that put the Aussies under pressure and they can absolutely make mistakes.



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 03:48 PM

Love how people on here bang on about picking form players for England in one breath then say Luke Burgess should be picked just because ge plays in the NRL. He's been injured for most of the season, only just got back in the side and TBH we have far better options at prop than him.

Sam and George should be the only Burgesses in the England squad.

 

They should all be in if they finish the season and playoffs strongly.



#51 Dave T

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 03:50 PM

Love how people on here bang on about picking form players for England in one breath then say Luke Burgess should be picked just because ge plays in the NRL. He's been injured for most of the season, only just got back in the side and TBH we have far better options at prop than him.

Sam and George should be the only Burgesses in the England squad.

Couldn't agree more. 

 

We have seen over and over that props with plenty of NRL experience come over here and do an average job. Just because somebody has played in the NRL does not mean they are automatically good enough for the England team.

 

People are happy to write off the likes of Crabtree and Hill simply because Luke Burgess has had a game or two.

 

Maybe worth pointing out that Ben Cross played 95 games in the NRL, would he have ever been good enough for the England team if he was English?

 

What about Danny Lima with 52 games?

 

Chris Leikvoll with 115 (solid workhorse that he was).


Edited by Dave T, 02 September 2013 - 03:51 PM.


#52 Scubby

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 06:07 PM

Couldn't agree more. 

 

We have seen over and over that props with plenty of NRL experience come over here and do an average job. Just because somebody has played in the NRL does not mean they are automatically good enough for the England team.

 

People are happy to write off the likes of Crabtree and Hill simply because Luke Burgess has had a game or two.

 

Maybe worth pointing out that Ben Cross played 95 games in the NRL, would he have ever been good enough for the England team if he was English?

 

What about Danny Lima with 52 games?

 

Chris Leikvoll with 115 (solid workhorse that he was).

 

I think the point was being that all 4 Burgess brothers are handy and it would be a massive PR opportunity for the WC if they were all in the squad. This would certainly take it beyond RL followers. Remember, it is on the BBC every Saturday for 6 weeks. You couldn't really say Morley, Mossop etc. are any better. I would have Crabtree and Hill in the squad too. With 6 games to play then you would need at least 5/6 props. Sam Burgess would be in the back row.


Edited by Scubby, 02 September 2013 - 06:08 PM.





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