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#1 Futtocks

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 10:49 AM

As co-founder and lead singer of 1970s punk band Crass, Steve Ignorant was at the forefront of the anarchist movement, taking part in direct action and arranging 24 hour squats.

But now his life has taken a rather different turn.

 

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#2 808tone

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 11:15 AM

Good band but alway's find that the so called tree hugging/anarchist/anti fascism lot alway's become the people they rebelled against (apart from volunteer lifeboat men).



#3 Johnoco

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:25 PM

Blimey. I didn't know that.
Loved Steve Ignorants vocals.

#4 gingerjon

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:44 PM

I give it a page and a half and we'll be talking about whether punk was or was not more radical than skiffle.


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#5 longboard

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:13 PM

Crass' music used to give me that sinking feeling.



#6 Severus

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:29 PM

Good band but alway's find that the so called tree hugging/anarchist/anti fascism lot alway's become the people they rebelled against (apart from volunteer lifeboat men).

 

True, but thats the case will most young people. When you are young it is natural to rebel against the older generation.

 

I saw the Undertones at a festival over the weekend. I'm not sure whether they were considered real punks or not but they played a blinder to an appreciative crowd of oldies in their 40s and 50s who all rocked up in their expensive cars and campervans. It was great fun but hard to imagine anyone ever took it seriously. No doubt the same will apply to the current alternative acts in 20/30 years time.


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#7 Johnoco

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:35 PM

True, but thats the case will most young people. When you are young it is natural to rebel against the older generation.

I saw the Undertones at a festival over the weekend. I'm not sure whether they were considered real punks or not but they played a blinder to an appreciative crowd of oldies in their 40s and 50s who all rocked up in their expensive cars and campervans. It was great fun but hard to imagine anyone ever took it seriously. No doubt the same will apply to the current alternative acts in 20/30 years time.

Crass were an Anarchist collective and not just a band, even when they first appeared bands like The Undertones (who I like) were not exactly punk anyway. Crass were not particularly young even in the early 80's and probably hold the same views now just not in a band. I used to be well into them but eventually started to disagree with a lot of their stuff.
I think Phil on here is familiar with them too. ;)

#8 Johnoco

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:36 PM

Crass' music used to give me that sinking feeling.

Do they owe you a living?

#9 Phil

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:08 PM

Crass were an Anarchist collective and not just a band, even when they first appeared bands like The Undertones (who I like) were not exactly punk anyway. Crass were not particularly young even in the early 80's and probably hold the same views now just not in a band. I used to be well into them but eventually started to disagree with a lot of their stuff.
I think Phil on here is familiar with them too. ;)

 

 

Yes indeed, I disliked them intensely back in the day, for their music, which i found dull, stodgy and repetetive but much more for their preachy upper-middle-class version of anarchism. I don't know about Steve Ignorant but other members of their collective like Penny Rimbaud and Andy Palmer were stereotypical poor little rich kids who could run back to their trust funds whenever the going got rough.

 

A friend of mine went to stay at their commune in Epping Forest and reported that he and other visitors were up at dawn digging the veg plots whilst the "main" members of the Crass Collective sat around smoking dope and messing about with guitars and female visitors.


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#10 longboard

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:15 PM

Do they owe you a living?

 

What idea are you floating?



#11 Johnoco

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:19 PM

What idea are you floating?

:wacko: never mind. Think that may have been a whoosh moment.

#12 Phil

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:22 PM

:wacko: never mind. Think that may have been a whoosh moment.

 

 

I got it :P


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#13 longboard

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:23 PM

:wacko: never mind. Think that may have been a whoosh moment.

 

Aye. No matter.

 

It was a bit of a punt at humour. :jester:



#14 Johnoco

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:26 PM

No worries.

#15 Johnoco

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:28 PM

I got it :P

Oh I knew *you* would. ;)

#16 808tone

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 07:19 PM

Yes indeed, I disliked them intensely back in the day, for their music, which i found dull, stodgy and repetetive but much more for their preachy upper-middle-class version of anarchism. I don't know about Steve Ignorant but other members of their collective like Penny Rimbaud and Andy Palmer were stereotypical poor little rich kids who could run back to their trust funds whenever the going got rough.

 

A friend of mine went to stay at their commune in Epping Forest and reported that he and other visitors were up at dawn digging the veg plots whilst the "main" members of the Crass Collective sat around smoking dope and messing about with guitars and female visitors.

That's what I think went on about House/Techno music in the late 1980's and early 1990's as saw a clip of a Chicago House music night in Moss Side Manchester from 1986 and before drug's came into the scene and it was 100% black but fast forward to 1988 Hacienda and it's all white working class Football type's who have discovered a different high from violence (i.e. E) but then fast forward to 1992 and a Rave Circuit called Spiral Tribe and it was just white, scruffy middle-class student/traveller etc and I bet most of them now are 2.4 upper middle class torie's type's.



#17 Andrew Vause

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 10:13 PM

Blimey. I didn't know that.
Loved Steve Ignorants vocals.


You loved Steve Ignorant's vocals and the other day you said that all the Sex Pistols were good musicians. Your pinnas must be painted on.

#18 Johnoco

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 10:29 PM

You loved Steve Ignorant's vocals and the other day you said that all the Sex Pistols were good musicians. Your pinnas must be painted on.


I like what I like bro. Don't look for approval from musos either.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 11:52 AM

Crass had a big influence on me in my teens that as lasted to this day. I'm 46 now.
I never slavishly followed what they said but I did learn to question what I was told in regards to religion and politics especially.
Loved their DIY ethos and spent hours pouring over their artwork.

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#20 Johnoco

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 12:23 PM

Crass had a big influence on me in my teens that as lasted to this day. I'm 46 now.
I never slavishly followed what they said but I did learn to question what I was told in regards to religion and politics especially.
Loved their DIY ethos and spent hours pouring over their artwork.

I would tend to echo your view here.

Crass had very little influence on me/As you can probably tell/Although I can still remember all the lyrics/to Bloody Revolutions/And Big A Little A/Definitely no influence at all.

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