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#1 ckn

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:17 PM

Debate all you want in this thread about the merits, politics and everything else around the summer/winter split in the game.  Go on... have a rant.

 

It gives a convenient thread for everyone else to ignore while they read the stories that are actually important in our game.  It also gives us a convenient place to move off-topic rants from other threads.


Arguing with the forum trolls is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good you are, the bird will **** on the board and strut around like it won anyway


#2 Celtic Rooster

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:26 PM

Couldn't care less to be honest. I like being able to watch amateur RL all year round. Just wish the clubs would decide once and for all which is best for them. All the swapping and changing is making my statistical records difficult to control accurately! Hope the NWCL get sufficient numbers to keep going.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:41 PM

Couldn't care less to be honest. I like being able to watch amateur RL all year round. Just wish the clubs would decide once and for all which is best for them. All the swapping and changing is making my statistical records difficult to control accurately! Hope the NWCL get sufficient numbers to keep going.

Temperatures have started to drop, that's a good sign the season is about to start, Sharlston this weekend in a friendly and then Kings Cross Park away in the first game of the new season, We got our butts kicked there last year.


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 04:25 PM

Couldn't care less to be honest. I like being able to watch amateur RL all year round. Just wish the clubs would decide once and for all which is best for them. All the swapping and changing is making my statistical records difficult to control accurately! Hope the NWCL get sufficient numbers to keep going.


This is the key in the debate. The clubs deciding what's best for them and choose and stick with it and forget about the debate for a few seasons. Work through the issues with either season and make the most of it

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 04:56 PM

This is the key in the debate. The clubs deciding what's best for them and choose and stick with it and forget about the debate for a few seasons. Work through the issues with either season and make the most of it

The problem with doing that is clubs could go to the wall (Fev Lions and there are a lot more if rumours are to be believed)


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.



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#6 Pottsy

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 05:41 PM

Is it just a coincidence that all the posters from Salford are the most positive and rational when it comes to this issue?

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 07:11 PM

The problem with doing that is clubs could go to the wall (Fev Lions and there are a lot more if rumours are to be believed)


Or clubs could prosper. It's all how you deal with the issues

Maybe summer isn't for Fev Lions

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 07:28 PM

The problem with doing that is clubs could go to the wall (Fev Lions and there are a lot more if rumours are to be believed)


Fev Lions have been bussing in their first team for about six years apparently. Their problems have little to do with summer rugby.

Edited by Pottsy, 28 August 2013 - 07:29 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 07:31 PM

Fev Lions have been bussing in their first team for about six years apparently. Their problems have little to do with summer rugby.


Summer has probably postponed the inevitable if you believe the reports online about "winter" players returning to their clubs come September time

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 07:57 PM

Summer rugby has been there for clubs to choose for a while if that's what they wanted, the big issue is after the proper gander from the RFL clubs didn't really have much choice if they wanted to play at a good standard, jump or sink,

Look what summer has done to the pro game with the lack of supporters

I don't think anybody can deny that there has been a dramatic lose in players since the switch, if your club have more players well good luck but have a look at the clubs in the whole, it wasn't a smooth ride in winter at the end of a season getting all the second teams turned out but the summer games that are getting called off even at the beginning of a season is embarrassing, not to mention top ncl team having to sign players on the day and use 16/17 year olds to turn a side out, serously how long before clubs start to fold,

If the RFL want what's best for the game why do they not champion both winter and summer instead of trying to get what they must consider fools to sign the OP rules where they are basically trying to block clubs returning to winter amongst other things,

Running a summer compertotion is a great idea , I can just see rugby union and the FA kicking themselfs because they didn't think of themselves
By the way I support my club just as much in the summer as I did in winter, but I would sooner be called a rebel than a sheep who would sooner swallow the Bul---t they are fed that challenge the wrongdoings

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:55 PM

I've kept away from the summer league debate but I feel its time to put in my own view of things.
Here in Cumbria we launched a new league this summer including teams from Barrow area for the first time. My club was the only club to vote to stay in winter but we went with the flow as if was hobsons choice. We fully embraced the concept and at giving it our best. At the start of the season the league went well but as the summer holidays have kicked in teams have been travelling with less than 17 players and that's first teams not A teams. A major name BRoughton red Rose folded last year and now another big name is rumoured to be on the precipice. As a coach of a few years now In have never seen such a lack of commitment from players at my ownclub due to festivals holidays weddings etc especially in the school holiday period even from the younger players.The standard of games is dropping due to the lack of consistency in team selection right across the board. A number of senior players have retired due to family commitments during the summer. People may point to good numbers registered but there are less numbers playing on weekends. The major advantage is that we have better training conditions but we have inconsistent numbers and we have pde season in the depths of winter. We are also down on revenue and will struggle in winter. Another minus is many players are builders and midweek during summer are working long nights.
On a personal level I am involved in many aspects of the game and for the first time I can remember I am sick of rugby this year and am considering a break away from the game I love, which, for those who know me, is a big shock. In short In think summer will be the eventual ruin of amateur rugby league and the change is a way for the RFL to implement a copy of the Aussie pyramid sfructure to save the pro clubs money.
Before the small minded ask who I support etc Barla /RFL I am a Barla coach and have been an RFL coach but my allegiances lie with whoever will run our game successfully, I have played and coached since age 8 that's 32 years! and the game has given me far more than I can ever give back but all the back biting politics etc has sickened me and many others in my area to the point of quitting. Having discussed this with many of my peers a lot are feeling that summer rugby is not the way forward and we are just pawns for the pro clubs to play with.
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#12 TaxiEgg

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 09:23 PM

I think many in the game echo those sentiments .



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 10:03 PM

A post from the heart by someone whom has given a lot to the game.
But will the powers that be take note?

I sincerely hope so before we reach the point of no return.

Current ncl coach.

#14 sbull

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:24 AM

You will find at this point when coaches point out the pit falls this is when the heads go deeper in the sand and the topic dies a death,
Soon as a solid winter base is set up more and more will jump back

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:30 AM

I am led to believe that ten NCL clubs have expressed concern about being unable to raise full squads due to un availability of players that is a worrying situation .

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:08 AM

I am led to believe that ten NCL clubs have expressed concern about being unable to raise full squads due to un availability of players that is a worrying situation .

 

Do you know the ten?  Probably a bit inappropriate to ask I suppose.  However it would be interesting to know (from my point of view) what the split is like between East/West of the pennines

 

If there are 10+ NCL Clubs who think Summer is hampering them and want to wish to return to Winter, that would be great basis for a Winter conference being set up so there is a choice for every club



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Posted 29 August 2013 - 12:04 PM

Or clubs could prosper. It's all how you deal with the issues

Maybe summer isn't for Fev Lions

Start losing clubs then you start to lose what you had and what you had is what made the NCL what it was!!!


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.



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Posted 29 August 2013 - 12:09 PM

Fev Lions have been bussing in their first team for about six years apparently. Their problems have little to do with summer rugby.

Where do all their successful juniors go once they reach the age to play open-age?


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.



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Posted 29 August 2013 - 12:18 PM

I've kept away from the summer league debate but I feel its time to put in my own view of things.
Here in Cumbria we launched a new league this summer including teams from Barrow area for the first time. My club was the only club to vote to stay in winter but we went with the flow as if was hobsons choice. We fully embraced the concept and at giving it our best. At the start of the season the league went well but as the summer holidays have kicked in teams have been travelling with less than 17 players and that's first teams not A teams. A major name BRoughton red Rose folded last year and now another big name is rumoured to be on the precipice. As a coach of a few years now In have never seen such a lack of commitment from players at my ownclub due to festivals holidays weddings etc especially in the school holiday period even from the younger players.The standard of games is dropping due to the lack of consistency in team selection right across the board. A number of senior players have retired due to family commitments during the summer. People may point to good numbers registered but there are less numbers playing on weekends. The major advantage is that we have better training conditions but we have inconsistent numbers and we have pde season in the depths of winter. We are also down on revenue and will struggle in winter. Another minus is many players are builders and midweek during summer are working long nights.
On a personal level I am involved in many aspects of the game and for the first time I can remember I am sick of rugby this year and am considering a break away from the game I love, which, for those who know me, is a big shock. In short In think summer will be the eventual ruin of amateur rugby league and the change is a way for the RFL to implement a copy of the Aussie pyramid sfructure to save the pro clubs money.
Before the small minded ask who I support etc Barla /RFL I am a Barla coach and have been an RFL coach but my allegiances lie with whoever will run our game successfully, I have played and coached since age 8 that's 32 years! and the game has given me far more than I can ever give back but all the back biting politics etc has sickened me and many others in my area to the point of quitting. Having discussed this with many of my peers a lot are feeling that summer rugby is not the way forward and we are just pawns for the pro clubs to play with.
Peace out
Chris Fisher
Coach, Glasson Rangers Arlfc
Cumbria under 17's head coach
Barla emerging lions assistant coaxh

Bit of a surprise, I was lead to believe the game in Cumbria was flourishing after turning to summer rugby and your own club does seem to be doing well.


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.



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Posted 29 August 2013 - 12:23 PM

Do you know the ten?  Probably a bit inappropriate to ask I suppose.  However it would be interesting to know (from my point of view) what the split is like between East/West of the pennines

 

If there are 10+ NCL Clubs who think Summer is hampering them and want to wish to return to Winter, that would be great basis for a Winter conference being set up so there is a choice for every club

I'd be more interested to know if the NCL clubs who are doing well are the same clubs that the service areas directed junior/youth players towards a few years ago.


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.



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