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#121 Back In The Good Old Days

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 04:55 PM

Could be as simple as issuing fixtures on a month to month basis rather than booking the date of the play off final and then making sure everything else fits in with that.

 

After all the people whom formulate the fixture are getting paid to do so unlike the rest of us whom are volunteers.



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:42 PM

Could be as simple as issuing fixtures on a month to month basis rather than booking the date of the play off final and then making sure everything else fits in with that.

 

After all the people whom formulate the fixture are getting paid to do so unlike the rest of us whom are volunteers.

That would work until about the last 6 to 8 weeks of the season, it happened all the time in the CMS Yorkshire league, we often went 7 and more weeks without a game at the end of the season.


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 10:01 PM

 The full fixture list should be issued and then clubs should be allowed to select two fixtures that can be postponed. One week can be left open at the end of the season for these postponements with the rest played midweek.  There is no point having gap weeks because it still wouldn't suit all teams.


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#124 Marauder

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 10:09 PM

 The full fixture list should be issued and then clubs should be allowed to select two fixtures that can be postponed. One week can be left open at the end of the season for these postponements with the rest played midweek.  There is no point having gap weeks because it still wouldn't suit all teams.

And if one club has 3 fixtures postponed by other clubs and then postpone two of their own, that's five for just one club, a regular fixture list is one of the reasons clubs joined the NCL, it's what help set them apart from the regional leagues.


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.



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#125 Guardsman

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 09:03 AM

There can still be a fixture list issued. It just needs information from Clubs early enough for the NCL to work at putting fixtures together. It will be hard work yes, but not impossible.

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:27 AM

The full fixture list should be issued and then clubs should be allowed to select two fixtures that can be postponed. One week can be left open at the end of the season for these postponements with the rest played midweek. There is no point having gap weeks because it still wouldn't suit all teams.


The full fixture list should be issued and then clubs should be allowed to select two fixtures that can be postponed. One week can be left open at the end of the season for these postponements with the rest played midweek. There is no point having gap weeks because it still wouldn't suit all teams.

Example, wath brow want st pats home postponed 1st sat July,
Lock lane want st pats away postponed 2nd sat July,
Thatto Heath want st pats home postponed 3rd sat July,
Siddal want st pats away postponed 4th sat July,
St pats themselves want 1st sat in aug postponed,
Skirlaugh want st pats away postponed 2nd sat in aug

St pats could have no fixtures for 6 weeks with no team requesting anything out the ordinary, ie requesting 1 fixture each to be postponed. Could easily happen and that's just 1 club affected. Just shows that the solutions aren't as straight forward as it may seem.
Imagine teams requesting 2 fixtures off, teams could go numerous weeks without fixtures, then having to cram midweek fixtures in when this is something teams are also trying to avoid.

Edited by usain bolt, 18 October 2013 - 11:28 AM.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:25 PM

 That's a perfect example of worst case scenario which assumes only one postponement in any one week and all to the same team, there is more chance of winning the lottery ;) . It is more likely that there will be more than one team requesting an open date so that teams who have no game because of their opponents request can then play each other. Not perfect but better than no assistance to clubs which is the current system.


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#128 Marauder

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 07:33 AM

 That's a perfect example of worst case scenario which assumes only one postponement in any one week and all to the same team, there is more chance of winning the lottery ;) . It is more likely that there will be more than one team requesting an open date so that teams who have no game because of their opponents request can then play each other. Not perfect but better than no assistance to clubs which is the current system.

I've seen the same thing happen so many times in the Yorkshire league and that was probably the main reason for it's demise and clubs jumping ship to the Pennine including us, it's OK trying to be user friendly but it will not work and will create other problems, one of the main attraction to go into the NCL was it's ability to provide and maintain a regular fixture list, once this doesn't happen you'll get players drifting away.

 

Since joining the Pennine we've gone from scraping together a side to turning out two every weekend and that's with struggling to put the same first team out every week due to work commitments, last week was a good example for us, went to Queens with seven 2nd teamers in the side (If the game had been played the week before we would have had a full 1st team) got beat 44 - 4 but our 2nd team went away and won 24 - 16., this week our 2nds never had a fixture so the committee have arranged a friendly for them.


Edited by Marauder, 23 October 2013 - 07:35 AM.

Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.



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#129 tim2

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 04:27 PM

The Midlands league this summer benefited from having fixed dates, week-in, week-out with no cups and just one Bank Holiday off.

Everyone knew where they stood. There were a couple of 'A' team defaults, but they happen in the Pennine League in the winter too.
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#130 MidlandsRugbyLeague

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:32 PM

The Midlands league this summer benefited from having fixed dates, week-in, week-out with no cups and just one Bank Holiday off.

Everyone knew where they stood. There were a couple of 'A' team defaults, but they happen in the Pennine League in the winter too.


And been playing summer since 1996....

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 10:58 PM

I've seen the same thing happen so many times in the Yorkshire league and that was probably the main reason for it's demise and clubs jumping ship to the Pennine including us, it's OK trying to be user friendly but it will not work and will create other problems, one of the main attraction to go into the NCL was it's ability to provide and maintain a regular fixture list, once this doesn't happen you'll get players drifting away.

 

Since joining the Pennine we've gone from scraping together a side to turning out two every weekend and that's with struggling to put the same first team out every week due to work commitments, last week was a good example for us, went to Queens with seven 2nd teamers in the side (If the game had been played the week before we would have had a full 1st team) got beat 44 - 4 but our 2nd team went away and won 24 - 16., this week our 2nds never had a fixture so the committee have arranged a friendly for them.

And there am I thinking it is only NCL clubs that have to fill there 1st team with 2nd team players because of the switch to summer. Seems that is not the case anymore looks like the same is happening in winter. ie different team every week your words not mine. Oh you must stop contradicting yourself Mr Marauder.



#132 Ranger12

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 11:16 PM

One major difference,most winter based 2nd teams fulfill there fixtures.unlike in summer where the opposite is happening.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 08:38 AM

One major difference,most winter based 2nd teams fulfill there fixtures.unlike in summer where the opposite is happening.

lets hope someone doesn't start going through the results for the winter rugby and picking out unfulfilled fixtures ,  



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 12:08 PM

One major difference,most winter based 2nd teams fulfill there fixtures.unlike in summer where the opposite is happening.

A lot of a teams completed in summer and winter but having just looked at walk overs in the last 2 weeks in the pennine league 6 games were walk overs and out of them 4 were from a teams

 

I haven't checked the summer to see how many a teams did no complete fixtures.

 

Its a problem with all amateur rugby



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 12:50 PM

Both seasons have problems that's the state of the game , but the spin was move to summer less cancelled games etc etc etc now that didn't materialise .
The problem is the romantics won't or don't want to admit it .
The game is fecked until we get some strong leadership .

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 03:24 PM

Both seasons have problems that's the state of the game , but the spin was move to summer less cancelled games etc etc etc now that didn't materialise .
The problem is the romantics won't or don't want to admit it .
The game is fecked until we get some strong leadership .

 

I always took it as less cancellations due to the weather,



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:18 PM

Take the Yorkshire men's league as an example.they do not show a cancelled game as a walkover,so to anybody not involved do not realise the game never went ahead.this season our club went 5 weeks with no game ,due to the opposition not being able to field a team.this has never happened to us in the winter season,yes the odd game did get cancelled and still does.
Pro rata more games still get played in the winter season,compared with summer.too many folk just look at the ncl and not at how many games are being cancelled to allow these games to go ahead

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 10:56 PM

And there am I thinking it is only NCL clubs that have to fill there 1st team with 2nd team players because of the switch to summer. Seems that is not the case anymore looks like the same is happening in winter. ie different team every week your words not mine. Oh you must stop contradicting yourself Mr Marauder.

But we don't have to fulfil the same criteria as a NCL club and our 2nd team play on the same day and at the same time as our 1st team and we are just a small pub team from a small ex- mining village.

 

Now if we are able to manage it in the winter why have NCL clubs with all their glory and criteria started to fail to not only fulfil 1st team fixtures but 2nd team and Under 18 fixtures since the switch to summer. Did you know that Queensbury are also putting 3 open age teams out in the winter ?


Edited by Marauder, 24 October 2013 - 11:05 PM.

Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 11:01 PM

A lot of a teams completed in summer and winter but having just looked at walk overs in the last 2 weeks in the pennine league 6 games were walk overs and out of them 4 were from a teams

 

I haven't checked the summer to see how many a teams did no complete fixtures.

 

Its a problem with all amateur rugby

Most WINTER teams are pub based who don't have to fulfil such a stringent criteria and acknowledge that participation is a hobby.


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 11:03 PM

I always took it as less cancellations due to the weather,

Yes better weather and a greater player participation


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