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#161 yipyee

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 02:42 PM

I'm in the north east, we have 22 clubs. I'm not sure how the long the NERL has been going however I am told in recent weeks:-

"At the North East Rugby League AGM in November it was unanimously passed that North East Rugby League would become an RFL Member League. As part of this the current structures would dissolve and a new North East Management Group would be formed, consisting of a Chairperson and 3 club representatives, as well as 2 members from the RFL."

I am pretty sure that the majority of clubs in our region are made up from mainly Union lads who wish to continue playing through summer. Our own club, Darlington, is a dual code club but our League side is made up mainly our union lads. However all of us including the union lads do take it seriously and don't just treat it as "something to do in summer". In our first season last year we won the league leaders shield so that is encouraging for us going into this year. A big advantage we have is that we have the full backing of the union club and we are not a league side renting facilities from a union club, we are a dual code club.


thats good until RL starts to become the main team....I have seen this with RL and soccer , dual club etc....until the soccer had a couple of relegations and the RL is in the top division. ..then the infighting starts....the latest is the RL team are more successful and want the better pitch!

#162 DRLFC

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 09:31 AM

Don't see how that could happen at our club. We have 5 pitches, 3 of which are a good standard. Also it's the same lads playing both codes so there couldn't be any infighting.

#163 Nev V Dawn

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 09:51 AM

thats good until RL starts to become the main team....I have seen this with RL and soccer , dual club etc....until the soccer had a couple of relegations and the RL is in the top division. ..then the infighting starts....the latest is the RL team are more successful and want the better pitch!

 

Give the lads a chance, they should be encouraged not given a doom and gloom scenario. Just look at the way Peterlee has developed as a club over the past decade or so.



#164 TaxiEgg

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 08:49 AM

Reality is starting to bite , one of our leading clubs as found the move in playing seasons is having a negative effect financially .
For the first time in the clubs history they could not generate enough interest for their Xmas social and Xmas party for the kids .

#165 henage

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 10:04 AM

Don't think playing numbers/helpers is just an issue with amateur rugby , local football team that plays in a Yorkshire wide league plus has a team in the local league and a social team has struggled with numbers right through the season , son could have played for any number of local cricket clubs during last summers matches , massive problems with numbers right through grass roots sport



#166 Bob8

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 10:25 AM

Speaking as someone who works in an extreme expansion area, I do not believe players when they say they want to play regular games.  What they want to a game every week so that they can pick and choose which ones they turn up to, and expect clubs to spread themselves as thin as possible to meet that. 

 

There is something to be said for playing less frequently and making players book the time..  


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#167 Joe Shep

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 10:42 AM

Speaking as someone who works in an extreme expansion area, I do not believe players when they say they want to play regular games.  What they want to a game every week so that they can pick and choose which ones they turn up to, and expect clubs to spread themselves as thin as possible to meet that. 

 

There is something to be said for playing less frequently and making players book the time..  

That's dead right. Our league had several gap weeks last year and the players said it worked really well for them. Interesting reading an article in the latest 40-20 where David Gent says the RFL's stats are showing that August is the worst month for player unavailability. Our experience of early August every year would support this.



#168 TaxiEgg

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 11:03 AM

That is not ground breaking news though is it , correct me if I am wrong but is that that the most popular month for going on holiday no matter where you live in the Uk .
So we did not need a survey from the RFL to tell us that did we ?
The traditional season took that into account or did it not , so are we now beginning to hear the pennies starting to drop ?
We have enough information to suggest that the switch in playing seasons was not the garlic bread the romantics thought it was .
Not be long now before we can start singing from the roof tops " we told you so "

Edited by TaxiEgg, 14 January 2014 - 11:04 AM.


#169 Joe Shep

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 12:06 PM

That is not ground breaking news though is it , correct me if I am wrong but is that that the most popular month for going on holiday no matter where you live in the Uk .
So we did not need a survey from the RFL to tell us that did we ?
The traditional season took that into account or did it not , so are we now beginning to hear the pennies starting to drop ?
We have enough information to suggest that the switch in playing seasons was not the garlic bread the romantics thought it was .
Not be long now before we can start singing from the roof tops " we told you so "

Or just have 2-3 weeks break in early August and play in the best weather either side of that? Especially considering that winter teams will play friendlies at the back end of August anyway.



#170 GeordieSaint

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 01:12 PM

Reality is starting to bite , one of our leading clubs as found the move in playing seasons is having a negative effect financially .
For the first time in the clubs history they could not generate enough interest for their Xmas social and Xmas party for the kids .

 

Has that club thought about shifting the party away from Christmas when the club is now out-of-season in order to have a large summer one instead?


Edited by GeordieSaint, 15 January 2014 - 01:12 PM.

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#171 TaxiEgg

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 03:03 PM

Move Xmas to summer is that not what the Aussies do lol .

#172 yipyee

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 11:51 PM

Move Xmas to summer is that not what the Aussies do lol .


its a valid point though to be fair......why not have a summer party.....weather will probably be just as bad as winter!

The other point regarding august.......isnt December very similar in a winter season....it is the party season after all....usually 2 week break over xmas......then theirs folk who have ski holidays. ......

#173 Bob8

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 05:33 PM

Or just have 2-3 weeks break in early August and play in the best weather either side of that? Especially considering that winter teams will play friendlies at the back end of August anyway.

I would more push for regular free weekends scattered through.  That leaves room for two weeks holiday (and does everyone really have two weeks abroad every year?).


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#174 Number12

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Posted 15 September 2014 - 04:58 PM

For new kids aged 7-12 summer is preferable to winter ; if a child isn't sure about wanting to take up a sport having them out in 5 degree temperatures with freezing hands doesn't help convince them.  Unfortunately some kids parents don't wrap them up properly especially until they 'get the bug' and invest in skins etc.



#175 yipyee

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Posted 15 September 2014 - 06:26 PM

For new kids aged 7-12 summer is preferable to winter ; if a child isn't sure about wanting to take up a sport having them out in 5 degree temperatures with freezing hands doesn't help convince them. Unfortunately some kids parents don't wrap them up properly especially until they 'get the bug' and invest in skins etc.


aparently SL in summer would fail.... that was 20 years ago....
then it was semi-pro that would fail after their switch...again many years later they have all improved and are fine....

It will take 10-20 years for the new generation to filter through and will laugh at the thought of being stood out in 0 degrees in the sleet in semi-darkness with the old men around the club telling tales of how they used to play in this and smoke in the clubhouse and changing rooms and all the other anecdotes!

#176 sbull

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Posted 16 September 2014 - 08:59 PM

aparently SL in summer would fail.... that was 20 years ago....
then it was semi-pro that would fail after their switch...again many years later they have all improved and are fine....
It will take 10-20 years for the new generation to filter through and will laugh at the thought of being stood out in 0 degrees in the sleet in semi-darkness with the old men around the club telling tales of how they used to play in this and smoke in the clubhouse and changing rooms and all the other anecdotes!


The majority of winter season games were played in the same weeks the summer games are played, it's proven as fact that young lads will miss a good proportion of games due to other commitments during the summer which have been listed many times, The selling point originally amongst others, is that it would improve the standards, it would take a brave man to argue the case the standards have improved if you consider how many different players are used during the course of the season just to turn a side out.
What you need to realise is that the young kids who are currently enjoying playing in the summer, Believe it are not they turn into young adults and will have all the same distractions the lads have today,

#177 yipyee

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Posted 16 September 2014 - 11:16 PM

The majority of winter season games were played in the same weeks the summer games are played, it's proven as fact that young lads will miss a good proportion of games due to other commitments during the summer which have been listed many times, The selling point originally amongst others, is that it would improve the standards, it would take a brave man to argue the case the standards have improved if you consider how many different players are used during the course of the season just to turn a side out.
What you need to realise is that the young kids who are currently enjoying playing in the summer, Believe it are not they turn into young adults and will have all the same distractions the lads have today,


lads who are making up the numbers may play more in the winter as there is nothing else to do granted...but that is why teams have a squad with A sides....

for me A sides should be in a reserve league...


also you say a lot of the games are played at the same weeks as the old season....therefore any distractions would be as before....hence you cant use distractions as an excuse.....

finally other than cricket all other sports do not play in the summer and therefore there is scope to attract new players from other sports....

#178 LordCharles

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 06:43 AM

lads who are making up the numbers may play more in the winter as there is nothing else to do granted...but that is why teams have a squad with A sides....

for me A sides should be in a reserve league...


also you say a lot of the games are played at the same weeks as the old season....therefore any distractions would be as before....hence you cant use distractions as an excuse.....

finally other than cricket all other sports do not play in the summer and therefore there is scope to attract new players from other sports....

 

Or maybe that in itself tells its own tale and the theory you have just highlighted is nothing more than the biggest white elephant in the history of our sport!!!






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