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The price of a cyclist's life: 240 hours unpaid work


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#41 Severus

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 05:03 PM

That may well be the case but every situation is different and my point is not about the "what" but the "where and when".

 

Are you suggesting that cyclists should be limited to when and where they can cycle?


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#42 Johnoco

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 05:14 PM

Anyone who cycles on the A64 is a crazy fool. Anyone doing it 2 abreast must be even more so.

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#43 gingerjon

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 05:20 PM

In Derwent's first case the cyclists are absolutely correct - in the second I'd say the cyclist is absolutely wrong.
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#44 Griff

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 05:25 PM

Could you give us some examples?

 

I posted a couple earlier.

 

Riding through red traffic lights

Riding up one-way streets the wrong way

Swerving across the road without looking

Riding on the wrong side of the road

Riding without lights at night

Riding on the causey

Riding while listening to their iPod

 

How many examples do you need ?  All the above are illegal by the way.

 

Barely a day goes past without I see somebody committing a traffic offence on a bike.  Jeez - if you don't, keep your own eyes open while you're on the road.


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#45 Griff

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 05:32 PM

 

My point is that, like any road user, you can not put your safety in the hands of others.

 

Mate, a lot of us whizz round in steel boxes at 70 mph and the reason there aren't millions of accidents a day is that we've a decent idea of where the other blokes are going to whizz.

 

Get a cyclist in front of you - owt could happen.

 

Get two cyclists in front of you, chatting to each other - it probably will happen.

 

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#46 Griff

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 05:40 PM

 

What is "within the law" and what is "safe" are two different things altogether. .

 

Absolutely agree.  And reckless behavior shouldn't be justified by it being lawful.


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#47 Severus

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 05:45 PM

Get a cyclist in front of you - owt could happen.

Get two cyclists in front of you, chatting to each other - it probably.


Which is why it states in te Highway Code that you should give cyclists plenty of room. As someone with a foot in both camps, drivers are definitely worst and we need to do something about it. Mandatory cycle training for drivers perhaps?
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#48 Griff

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 05:50 PM

Are you for real, Severus ?  You're pretty much saying cyclists can't be trusted.

 

Out of the seven examples I gave there, I see car drivers do those maybe a couple of times a year.  I saw a dozy lass driving without her lights about 8.30 last week.  First time for ages.


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#49 Severus

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 05:59 PM

Are you for real, Severus ? You're pretty much saying cyclists can't be trusted.

Out of the seven examples I gave there, I see car drivers do those maybe a couple of times a year. I saw a dozy lass driving without her lights about 8.30 last week. First time for ages.

A driver can't see the pot holes, debris and other obstacles that may cause a cyclist to serve suddenly. As I said before, I see drivers driving dangerously virtually every time I am on my bike. It's very different view on a bike compared to a car.

Its very rare to see drivers for those things you mentioned. The things that a dangerous to cyclists are those things that drivers don't think about. For example, failing to indicate, cutting up cyclists, not giving way to cyclists, driving in the cycle lane etc. What is worrying is that quite often the driver is totally unaware that they are driving dangerously.

Edited by Severus, 29 August 2013 - 06:06 PM.

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#50 Derwent

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:20 PM

Are you suggesting that cyclists should be limited to when and where they can cycle?


No, I'm suggesting that a responsible cyclist wouldn't choose to cycle down a very busy dual carriageway at a peak time on one of the busiest days of the year. Apart from being unsafe it's downright ignorant. It's not about blame its about making sensible choices.

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#51 gingerjon

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:36 PM

No, I'm suggesting that a responsible cyclist wouldn't choose to cycle down a very busy dual carriageway at a peak time on one of the busiest days of the year

 

But if that's the direction they're heading in and that's the time they need to travel and that's the best way to get there ...


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#52 gingerjon

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:39 PM

As ever after these threads I did a little count on my way home.  This is from just 15 minutes walking by along one road.

 

Number of cars passing through a red light: 2

Number of cars turning without indicating: 4

Number of cars crossing a zebra crossing which had people on: 1

Number of motorists using a phone: 3

 

Number of bikes passing through a red light: 2

Number of bikes turning without indicating: 0

Number of bikes crossing a zebra crossing which had people on: 0

Number of cyclists using a phone: 0


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#53 Larry the Leit

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:39 PM

No, I'm suggesting that a responsible cyclist wouldn't choose to cycle down a very busy dual carriageway at a peak time on one of the busiest days of the year. Apart from being unsafe it's downright ignorant. It's not about blame its about making sensible choices.


How is it ignorant?

If people drive in accordance with the law why would it be unsafe?

#54 gingerjon

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:40 PM

How is it ignorant?

If people drive in accordance with the law why would it be unsafe?

 

Just imagine how angry he must get following a tractor or a horse.


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#55 Larry the Leit

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:41 PM

@redveee

#56 Larry the Leit

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:42 PM

Just imagine how angry he must get following a tractor or a horse.


Or a hearse.

#57 gingerjon

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:44 PM

Or a hearse.

 

I just hope there's not a procession.

 

At least not on the A64 when some people want to drive like really fast.


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#58 Derwent

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:12 PM

How is it ignorant?
If people drive in accordance with the law why would it be unsafe?


The environment and location are unsafe, not necessarily their manner of riding. There's a big difference.

Again, I'm simply questioning why any sane person would expose themself to such a risk. If they wish to do so then fine, that's their right, but don't cry about it if the risk materialises.

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#59 Larry the Leit

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:18 PM

The environment and location are unsafe, not necessarily their manner of riding. There's a big difference.
Again, I'm simply questioning why any sane person would expose themself to such a risk. If they wish to do so then fine, that's their right, but don't cry about it if the risk materialises.


Good Lord.

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#60 Derwent

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:18 PM

As ever after these threads I did a little count on my way home.  This is from just 15 minutes walking by along one road.
 
Number of cars passing through a red light: 2
Number of cars turning without indicating: 4
Number of cars crossing a zebra crossing which had people on: 1
Number of motorists using a phone: 3
 
Number of bikes passing through a red light: 2
Number of bikes turning without indicating: 0
Number of bikes crossing a zebra crossing which had people on: 0
Number of cyclists using a phone: 0


What was the ratio of cars to bicycles ? 100:1 ? 1000:1? Does it really come as a shock that motorists have a higher volume of incidents than cyclists ?

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