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#81 ckn

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 10:58 AM

This is a real concern IMO. Pubs are more than about just getting p¡ssed up, they have been good hubs of the community up till recently.

True.  The sight of working men's clubs struggling especially makes me sad considering how vibrant I remember them from the 80s.


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#82 gingerjon

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 12:44 PM

This is a real concern IMO. Pubs are more than about just getting p¡ssed up, they have been good hubs of the community up till recently.

 

So if the pubs were still there we'd be bombing Syria and the smile would be on the other side Putin's French-speaking face?


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Posted 07 September 2013 - 01:10 PM

This is a real concern IMO. Pubs are more than about just getting p¡ssed up, they have been good hubs of the community up till recently.

 

Some still are. The good quality "modern" pub may have changed beyond recognition from the old spit and sawdust days, but they can still enjoy a real sense of community. The nearest pub to me holds about four big outdoor events each year for charity including an all day music festival, plus other smaller stuff inside throughout the year (for example at Christmas they have a carols night with a local choir and brass band with free food and hot toddies for those joining in).


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#84 Johnoco

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 07:18 PM

So if the pubs were still there we'd be bombing Syria and the smile would be on the other side Putin's French-speaking face?

Come again squire?

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#85 Johnoco

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 07:20 PM

Some still are. The good quality "modern" pub may have changed beyond recognition fromm the old spit and sawdust days, but they can still enjoy a real sense of community. The nearest pub to me holds about four big outdoor events each year for charity including an all day music festival, plus other smaller stuff inside throughout the year (for example at Christmas they have a carols night with a local choir and brass band with free food and hot toddies for those joining in).

That's great but the number of pubs that have shut within a couple of miles radius of me is pretty shocking.

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#86 808tone

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 09:07 PM

'Well blame Nu Labour and Alistair 'commie' Darling for helping kill the pub's with the beer tax.

Thank god for Sam Smith's and Weatherspoon's as at least you can get a cheap pint but even the Working Men's Club's and Social Sport's club's e.g. like Rugby and cricket club's are charging nearly £3.00 a pint.



#87 Larry the Leit

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 09:39 PM

I'm not aware of any decent, well patronised pubs shutting. I'm aware of loads that hadn't changed their business model in decades closing down though. My local opened four years ago and is thriving. It has very little passing trade, serves a varity of exceptional beers, innovative food, is family friendly etc etc.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 04:57 PM

Whether we intervene with military action or not, I doubt it will end terrorism. The world is such that we will never have total harmony amongst nations. Sadly, many people young and old will never see another sunset

 

I'm against military intervention not because I don't think Assad is a bad man but because a) I'm not convinced 100% that Assad's forces were to blame for the attacks and B) I'm far from convinced that the alternative to Assad will be anything like better.

 

It's nothing to do with a lack of compassion more the fact that it feels like we'll be bombing them and potentially toppling Assad for an end result that could be just as bad if not worse and then creates more enemies for our country. Look at the interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq, they have not been handled well and have created generations of animosity to the Western powers, meaning that we'll probably be dealing directly with Islamist terrorism for the rest of my life at least.

 

I don't think British people are uncaring for people across the world they just see a record of abject failure in military interventions like this one.



#89 Maximus Decimus

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 05:03 PM

I first performed in working mens clubs in the mid 90's and it was obvious then that they were on their way out. The people going were of a different generation where people went out dancing regularly. Social attitudes have changed and the same is true for drinking in pubs; people just like to stay in more and there are fewer men that spend most of their non-working hours in pubs. This isn't necessarily a bad thing and I'm not sure this culture is anything to be missed.  

 

It always makes me laugh watching the British soaps where the community all still revolve around the village or community pub. The reality is that British life is no longer like that for the vast majority of people.



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 06:32 AM

I first performed in working mens clubs in the mid 90's and it was obvious then that they were on their way out. The people going were of a different generation where people went out dancing regularly. Social attitudes have changed and the same is true for drinking in pubs; people just like to stay in more and there are fewer men that spend most of their non-working hours in pubs. This isn't necessarily a bad thing and I'm not sure this culture is anything to be missed.

It always makes me laugh watching the British soaps where the community all still revolve around the village or community pub. The reality is that British life is no longer like that for the vast majority of people.


The idealised picture of British working class life never existed. It's no more true than the middle class chocolate box cucumber sandwich, summer picnic idea of Britain. Working class life was hard and miserable, whilst middle class life was just miserable.

The destroyer of community is the changing labour market. People who lived together worked together, socialised together and even worshiped together. They even had the same 2 weeks off work together and probably went to the same seaside town together for those 2 weeks. Consequently they married each other, were (non-familial) 'aunts' and 'uncles' to each other. etc etc. How many people work at the same place as their neighbour these days?

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#91 Johnoco

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 12:36 PM

The idealised picture of British working class life never existed. It's no more true than theirhmiddle class chocolate box cucumber sandwich, summer picnic idea of Britain. Working class life was hard and miserable, whilst middle class life was just miserable.

The destroyer of community is the changing labour market. People who lived together worked together, socialised together and even worshiped together. They even had the same 2 weeks off work together and probably went to the same seaside town together for those 2 weeks. Consequently they married each other, were (non-familial) 'aunts' and 'uncles' to each other. etc etc. How many people work at the same place as their neighbour these days?

While there is a lot of truth in what you say, the image of most of the community using the pub is not a myth. It was the place to go for the vast majority of people. Not everyone by any means but most.
And while life was hard, it doesn't follow that it was miserable. I grew up in, certainly by today's standards, hard times on a rough council estate. But I mainly have warm memories of it. Not rose tinted ones, ones remembering how hard it was but because pretty much everyone was in the same boat it seemed normal.

Which is quite handy because if I don't find a new job ASAP I could be heading back there!

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#92 Northern Sol

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 06:30 PM

The idealised picture of British working class life never existed. It's no more true than the middle class chocolate box cucumber sandwich, summer picnic idea of Britain. Working class life was hard and miserable, whilst middle class life was just miserable.


True.

When I think back to my relatives. None of them would have gone to pubs as they didn't have money to waste. None of them would have paid money to watch live sport for the same reason.

#93 Methven Hornet

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 09:11 PM

'Well blame Nu Labour and Alistair 'commie' Darling for helping kill the pub's with the beer tax.
Thank god for Sam Smith's and Weatherspoon's as at least you can get a cheap pint but even the Working Men's Club's and Social Sport's club's e.g. like Rugby and cricket club's are charging nearly £3.00 a pint.


Alistair 'commie' Darling?

Now that is a good one. Well done.

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#94 Methven Hornet

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 09:19 PM

While there is a lot of truth in what you say, the image of most of the community using the pub is not a myth. It was the place to go for the vast majority of people. Not everyone by any means but most.
And while life was hard, it doesn't follow that it was miserable. I grew up in, certainly by today's standards, hard times on a rough council estate. But I mainly have warm memories of it. Not rose tinted ones, ones remembering how hard it was but because pretty much everyone was in the same boat it seemed normal.

Which is quite handy because if I don't find a new job ASAP I could be heading back there!


It wasn't miserable because we were always in the pub! The morning after, however...

And while a lot of people did socialise in the pubs and wm clubs I don't think it was ever a majority. In the 70s in my (largely) working class town it was mainly people from certain groups: 16-25 year olds, older men and some married couples. And mostly at weekends.

But things do change. I wouldn't dream of suggesting to my better half spending a few hours of our leisure time downing quantities of alcohol. Throw in a bit (well, a lot) of food, then maybe...
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#95 Johnoco

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 06:34 AM

Times have changed Hornet though. Once upon a time most people would laugh at the idea of going out on an evening and paying money for a meal, especially a bloody *foreign* one!

But as time goes by and people become more 'sa-fisstickated' tastes evolve and popping round to the local is not seen as the only thing to do. I aren't trying to suggest that the pub was the only leisure activity available but it was the main way of socialising for most people.

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