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Another cyclist-killer escapes proper punishment


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#41 Griff

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 02:50 PM

Because VED is based on vehicle emissions. Not all cars are subject to VED these days.

 

Do cyclists hold their breath or summat ?

 

Do electric cars only run on electricity from a green source ?  Or can you use any old electricity ?

 

Fundamentally flawed if you ask me.


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#42 JohnM

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 03:49 PM

The Cambridge Cycle Campaign suggested that "Arguing that cyclists therefore have less right to use the roads is like arguing that smokers should take precedence for medical treatment, because non-smokers don't buy cigarettes and therefore 'don't pay hospital tax".

 

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 04:20 PM

The Cambridge Cycle Campaign suggested that "Arguing that cyclists therefore have less right to use the roads is like arguing that smokers should take precedence for medical treatment, because non-smokers don't buy cigarettes and therefore 'don't pay hospital tax".

 

see here

 

Who'd've thought that ?  From a cyclists' group ?

 

Astonishing. ;)


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#44 JohnM

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 05:47 PM

..but true!

 

My favourites are.

 

1. Since  a huge number of head injuries are caused to drivers in car accidents, it would make good sense on health, safety and economic grounds to make helmet wearing compulsory for car drivers.

2. Before being granted a provisional car driving licence, you must first pass a cycling proficiency test.


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#45 gazza77

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 06:04 PM

..but true!

My favourites are.

1. Since a huge number of head injuries are caused to drivers in car accidents, it would make good sense on health, safety and economic grounds to make helmet wearing compulsory for car drivers.
2. Before being granted a provisional car driving licence, you must first pass a cycling proficiency test.


Perhaps you ought to have to pass a cycling proficiency test to be allowed on the road on a bicycle then also ;)

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 07:50 PM

How do you know cyclists pay no tax? Have you thought it may be included in the cost of a bike? Those cyclists who are cycling to work, I assume are paying income tax. Get off your high horses and grow some sense you plonkers.


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#47 JohnM

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 07:53 PM

Perhaps you ought to have to pass a cycling proficiency test to be allowed on the road on a bicycle then also ;)


No. At issue is imroving the driving of 30 million motorists.

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 08:01 PM

No. At issue is imroving the driving of 30 million motorists.


I was fishing. ;) More common sense all around would probably help amongst all road users, along with a bit of tolerance and patience. Some drivers are good, some aren't, same with cyclists, pedestrians,motorcyclists, HGV and any other road users. Even those who are good would be lying if they said they'd never made an error on the road.

I drove to work in thick fog this morning. En route I passed numerous cars without lights on, a couple of cyclists with no lights or hi viz and people walking dogs on narrow roads with no pavements who were wearing grey and black clothing. It's the responsibility of other road users to look where they're going, but a whole selection could do a whole lot to make themselves more visible, especially those who are most vulnerable in the event of a collision.

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#49 JohnM

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 08:45 PM

can't argue with that.

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but I'm working on it!   :)



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Posted 05 September 2013 - 07:31 AM

I was fishing. ;) More common sense all around would probably help amongst all road users, along with a bit of tolerance and patience. Some drivers are good, some aren't, same with cyclists, pedestrians,motorcyclists, HGV and any other road users. Even those who are good would be lying if they said they'd never made an error on the road.

I drove to work in thick fog this morning. En route I passed numerous cars without lights on, a couple of cyclists with no lights or hi viz and people walking dogs on narrow roads with no pavements who were wearing grey and black clothing. It's the responsibility of other road users to look where they're going, but a whole selection could do a whole lot to make themselves more visible, especially those who are most vulnerable in the event of a collision.

 

Well said! Although I have never caused an accident in 35 years of driving, I have enjoyed a bit of luck occasionally. We all make errors of judgement out on the roads. 



#51 gingerjon

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 07:48 AM

I drove to work in thick fog this morning. En route I passed numerous cars without lights on, a couple of cyclists with no lights or hi viz and people walking dogs on narrow roads with no pavements who were wearing grey and black clothing.

 

Same for me this morning - made slightly worse by it being the first day of the school run.  I was very pleased I'd charged all my lights and so could be fully LED'd up.


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#52 Griff

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 09:02 AM

How do you know cyclists pay no tax? Have you thought it may be included in the cost of a bike? Those cyclists who are cycling to work, I assume are paying income tax. Get off your high horses and grow some sense you plonkers.

 

Cars are VAT free then. Right ........ <_<

 

And don't bring horses into it, we've enough trouble with bikes. :angry:


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 09:07 AM

Bravo to the brilliant motorists who are so much better at dealing with the conditions than ... oh, well read for yourselves

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-kent-23970047


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#54 JohnM

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 09:40 AM

Quite so. still, we can rely on the forces of law and order to keep offenders off the roads: http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-23967547

 

Of course it is incumbent on all of us to comply with the law and to protect ourselves, reduce our vulnerability, crawl, walk, run, ride and drive defensively. 



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Posted 05 September 2013 - 09:47 AM

 

Of course it is incumbent on all of us to comply with the law and to protect ourselves, reduce our vulnerability, crawl, walk, run, ride and drive defensively. 

 

In a nutshell.


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#56 Griff9of13

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 10:52 AM

Seems fair enough.  Motorists pay for the roads. Pedestrians, cyclists and shepherds use them for nowt and expect priority.

 

Spongers. :tongue:

 

Can't believe how many bit. :lol:


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#57 Griff9of13

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 10:55 AM

Quite so. still, we can rely on the forces of law and order to keep offenders off the roads: http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-23967547

 

Of course it is incumbent on all of us to comply with the law and to protect ourselves, reduce our vulnerability, crawl, walk, run, ride and drive defensively. 

 

Quite.

 

The most sensible comment on this thread. The roads belong to us all and we all share the responsibility to use them safely, regardless of the mode of transport we happen to be using. 


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 12:55 PM

For World Energy Day, today's Richard Bacon programme on Radio 5 will be powered by electricity generated by cyclists.

 

You can lose sympathy for a group of people awfully quick, can't you? :P 


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 02:21 PM

For World Energy Day, today's Richard Bacon programme on Radio 5 will be powered by electricity generated by cyclists.

 

You can lose sympathy for a group of people awfully quick, can't you? :P

 

What powers the cyclists ?


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#60 gingerjon

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 03:04 PM

What powers the cyclists ?

 

Hatred of humanity.


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