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Another cyclist-killer escapes proper punishment


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#61 JohnM

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 06:41 PM

What powers the cyclists ?


the 1/2 MV squared of the cars that hit them?

#62 Griff

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 08:09 AM

the 1/2 MV squared of the cars that hit them?

 

Bit of physics revision needed there. ;)

 

Anyway, travelling a short distance to pick up Mrs Griff from work last night (after sunset) , I saw ten cyclists, one with lights, nine without.  One cyclist riding up a dual carriageway the wrong way, three riding on the causey, eight wearing dark clothing.


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#63 JohnM

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 09:17 AM

.mechanics, really..I went to school before physics was invented.

 

. why doesn't a car transfer its kinetic energy to the cyclist it hits? ( ignoring losses)

 

 

as for the cyclists..quite shocking..and clearly wrong..but at least you were alert enough to see them

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 10:05 AM

Ah well, it'll all sort itself out naturally soon.


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#65 JohnM

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 11:56 AM

Some progress: http://www.ctc.org.u...-unduly-lenient

 

http://www.ctc.org.u...ngerous-driving



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 12:21 PM

Not just cyclists who are affected by other road users poor judgement. These are simply two of thousands of such examples. 

 

http://www.dailymail...-think-law.html

 

http://www.birmingha...-killed-1313922

 

The key issue really is the actions of specific individuals, rather than their choice of vehicle. Roads are dangerous for all users. If you want to maximise your survival chances, make yourself as visible as possible and assume everyone else is out to get you. :D


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#67 Griff9of13

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 02:02 PM

Not just cyclists who are affected by other road users poor judgement. These are simply two of thousands of such examples. 

 

http://www.dailymail...-think-law.html

 

http://www.birmingha...-killed-1313922

 

The key issue really is the actions of specific individuals, rather than their choice of vehicle. Roads are dangerous for all users. If you want to maximise your survival chances, make yourself as visible as possible and assume everyone else is out to get you. :D

 

This may add fat to the fire:

 

The maximum penalty for careless cycling is a £1,000 fine. For dangerous cycling it is £2,500. By contrast, someone convicted of careless driving faces a maximum fine of £2,500 and possible disqualification, whereas a person found guilty of dangerous driving is automatically disqualified and can be sent to prison for up to two years. 

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#68 JohnM

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 03:24 PM

There is a reluctance for the courts -or CPS -to consider dangerous driving rather than careless driving some claim because of that penalty .

It also centres on what is careless and what is dangerous.

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 05:38 PM

And what about mobility scooters! Some people ride them like there is no tomorrow.  ;)



#70 JohnM

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 01:50 AM

are you getting at me? :-) :-)

a Honda Pan European is NOT a mobility scooter ! :-) :-)

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 07:24 AM

And what about mobility scooters! Some people ride them like there is no tomorrow. ;)


Don't get me started on mobility scooters! I've been run off the pavement and into the gutter on more than one by an aggressive mad old biddy on one of those things. I swear she's had the thing ''tuned'' the speeds it gets up to! :O

Edited by Griff9of13, 07 September 2013 - 07:25 AM.

"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

#72 Saint Billinge

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 07:33 AM

are you getting at me? :-) :-)

a Honda Pan European is NOT a mobility scooter ! :-) :-)

 

John,

 

I thought you had a nice pink one!  :tongue:



#73 gingerjon

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 08:10 AM

Don't get me started on mobility scooters! I've been run off the pavement and into the gutter on more than one by an aggressive mad old biddy on one of those things. I swear she's had the thing ''tuned'' the speeds it gets up to! :O

 

They can go at up to 20mph I believe ...


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Posted 07 September 2013 - 08:20 AM

Don't get me started on mobility scooters! I've been run off the pavement and into the gutter on more than one by an aggressive mad old biddy on one of those things. I swear she's had the thing ''tuned'' the speeds it gets up to! :O


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#75 JohnM

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 10:20 AM

she was 84. ,,,,so not much longer to go anyway.

#76 gingerjon

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 12:54 PM

 

"It is thought the woman driver driving the scooter said she was going to call an ambulance but then left the scene of the crash and never returned."

 

FFS.


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#77 Johnoco

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 11:26 PM

I drove to Odsal tonight. It reminded me what a bunch of absolute dickheads that motorists can be. (not me though, ask anyone)


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#78 gingerjon

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 06:38 AM

The Telegraph

 

Fiddling with the SatNav for a minimum of 18 seconds whilst driving at 40mph ... the results are unsurprising.


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#79 Larry the Leit

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 09:35 AM

The Telegraph

Fiddling with the SatNav for a minimum of 18 seconds whilst driving at 40mph ... the results are unsurprising.


A harrowing read that. Not even the mention of Hook (Hampshire) lifted the gloom.

I'm all for pro-active education, it amazes me that we don't have public service adverts about road safety and the penalties etc. I seem to remember there being one about how to indicate at roundabouts when I was a kid.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 10:07 AM

A harrowing read that. Not even the mention of Hook (Hampshire) lifted the gloom.
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I'm all for pro-active education, it amazes me that we don't have public service adverts about road safety and the penalties etc. I seem to remember there being one about how to indicate at roundabouts when I was a kid.

The department that made all those safety films was abolished a few years back.

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