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#81 Bostik Bailey

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 07:56 PM

Nah, the salary cap has worked well when it was properly applied. We've had crowds doubling since the beginning of SL and that means more money all round.

Anyone who seriously thinks that the salary cap was the cause of Paris or Crusaders demise needs to read up a bit. Those clubs were doomed no matter what. Dropping expansion clubs with insufficient funds into SL and then expecting the Salary cap to save them is stupid.

It's also given clubs like Warrington and Huddersfield a new lease of life. For years they could not beat St Helens and Bradford respectively, now look where they are. See what a lack of salary cap has done to soccer.

The problems are:-
a) too many teams in SL reducing the TV money for everybody
B) putting expansion sides into Sl when they weren't ready
c) a failure to relegate clubs that are obviously struggling


Very seletctive with Paris and North Wales, what about the others I mentioned ( oh and I missed Bradford)

The salary cap isn't working, it's not stopped clubs going bust, when 8 teams ( more than half the league) have go into administration then one of the reasons for it is blown out of the water.

Both Huddersfield and Wire are competitive due to wealthy backers. I'll claim that the salary cap is allowing Saints to compete at the moment

#82 Northern Sol

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 09:28 PM

Very seletctive with Paris and North Wales, what about the others I mentioned ( oh and I missed Bradford)

The salary cap isn't working, it's not stopped clubs going bust, when 8 teams ( more than half the league) have go into administration then one of the reasons for it is blown out of the water.

Both Huddersfield and Wire are competitive due to wealthy backers. I'll claim that the salary cap is allowing Saints to compete at the moment


It's not more than half the league. More than half the current league have never gone bust - Wigan, Leeds, Hull FC, Hull KR, St Helens, Wire, Catalans, Cas, Salford - that's 9 out of 14 clubs.

And Crusaders were going bust even when they were breaking the NL2 and NL1 salary caps.

The cap worked better when there was a maximum spend so that clubs that could not afford the full cap couldn't bankrupt themselves. When it was removed things got less stable.

#83 Dave T

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 12:34 AM

Very seletctive with Paris and North Wales, what about the others I mentioned ( oh and I missed Bradford)

The salary cap isn't working, it's not stopped clubs going bust, when 8 teams ( more than half the league) have go into administration then one of the reasons for it is blown out of the water.

Both Huddersfield and Wire are competitive due to wealthy backers. I'll claim that the salary cap is allowing Saints to compete at the moment

is Warrington's turnover so high due to Moran?
is it balls...

#84 The Parksider

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 03:52 AM

The salary cap isn't working, it's not stopped clubs going bust, when 8 teams ( more than half the league) have go into administration then one of the reasons for it is blown out of the water.
 

 

The salary cap was at one time set so clubs could not blow their budgets just on players but instead had to put money into other parts of the business. IIRC there was a rule clubs could only spend 50% of their income on players.

 

However that left some clubs unable to compete, and so the 50% of income rule was lifted, but the cap stayed in place to stop the wealthy clubs just buying up all the best players so we'd just end up with a couple of clubs winning all the trophies and wage inflation as they outbid each other for the best.

 

So the salary cap has worked in terms of it's purpose in recent years. With respect the business aim of getting all 14 clubs equally competitive on the field to try to get them all on decent crowds that would sustain their businesses is what has not worked.

 

It was a noble aim, but sadly not enough paying fans and players to go round, and latterly not enough rich men to prop every club up fully.



#85 South Wakefield Sharks

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 07:42 AM

Thought the article in RLW was pretty good. Ok sensational headline, but it got people talking. If the players get a stronger voice in the game that will be a big benefit to all of us who want to see the game grow. It won't suit some of those who want to keep the game where it is, and that includes those who like to be a big fish in a small pond.

We don't want to turn into soccer, but players need to be represented as key parts of the game, rather than just bits of meat you chuck away when they're no longer at their best.

The fact that 75% of players would consider going to the NRL or union for more cash should send a message to the club owners that they can't simply bumble along as they are, and that they need to create enough viable, top level clubs to keep the best players in this country.

The issue of marketing the game is also pretty clear. To me it sends the message out that playes have seen the profile that Sam Tomkins & the Burgess boys are getting in league, and are saying they'd quite like to be recognised or known as a personality outside their own particular town too.

Even things like the Rhino ball that was introduced last year. A ball deal got signed and the players had to get on with it. Everyone seems to have said the ball is rubbish (except Rhino, obviously), now through 1eague3 the players are involved in trialling next year's ball. It should have been a basic, but because the game is not used to considering the views of players, they just get ignored, and some ill-informed decision get made.

Not saying they players have all the answers, but they clearly have a view and it is poor management by the club owners and the RFL to not actively seek out the views of such key stakeholders.

#86 Northern Sol

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 09:08 AM

The salary cap was at one time set so clubs could not blow their budgets just on players but instead had to put money into other parts of the business. IIRC there was a rule clubs could only spend 50% of their income on players.
 
However that left some clubs unable to compete, and so the 50% of income rule was lifted, but the cap stayed in place to stop the wealthy clubs just buying up all the best players so we'd just end up with a couple of clubs winning all the trophies and wage inflation as they outbid each other for the best.
 
So the salary cap has worked in terms of it's purpose in recent years. With respect the business aim of getting all 14 clubs equally competitive on the field to try to get them all on decent crowds that would sustain their businesses is what has not worked.
 
It was a noble aim, but sadly not enough paying fans and players to go round, and latterly not enough rich men to prop every club up fully.


Indeed. What seems to have been forgotten is that we have seen three new stadiums in SL: the Halliwell Jones, the Barton Stadium, Langtree Park and even below SL Leigh Sports Village. Major improvements have taken place at Craven Park as well.

None of which was ever going to happen when clubs were spending 95% of the income on player wages.

#87 Futtocks

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 11:34 AM

Thought the article in RLW was pretty good. Ok sensational headline, but it got people talking. If the players get a stronger voice in the game that will be a big benefit to all of us who want to see the game grow. It won't suit some of those who want to keep the game where it is, and that includes those who like to be a big fish in a small pond.

We don't want to turn into soccer, but players need to be represented as key parts of the game, rather than just bits of meat you chuck away when they're no longer at their best.

The fact that 75% of players would consider going to the NRL or union for more cash should send a message to the club owners that they can't simply bumble along as they are, and that they need to create enough viable, top level clubs to keep the best players in this country.

The issue of marketing the game is also pretty clear. To me it sends the message out that playes have seen the profile that Sam Tomkins & the Burgess boys are getting in league, and are saying they'd quite like to be recognised or known as a personality outside their own particular town too.

Even things like the Rhino ball that was introduced last year. A ball deal got signed and the players had to get on with it. Everyone seems to have said the ball is rubbish (except Rhino, obviously), now through 1eague3 the players are involved in trialling next year's ball. It should have been a basic, but because the game is not used to considering the views of players, they just get ignored, and some ill-informed decision get made.

Not saying they players have all the answers, but they clearly have a view and it is poor management by the club owners and the RFL to not actively seek out the views of such key stakeholders.

Right, I bought my copy of RLW on Saturday. It's a shame that the sensationalism about the 75% rather overshadowed some of  the more interesting and relevant poll results.

 

Then I went and did a Google image search for Holly Myers. :) 


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#88 redjonn

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 05:20 PM

I like the CAP approach in RU... a base amount with additional credits to increase based upon academy players.



#89 DeadShotKeen

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 09:01 PM

So Superleague players would consider changing jobs for the offer of more money elsewhere?
 
Well i for one am totally shocked!!!
 
What exactly is the story here??


That a fabulous sport cannot provide an intense, commercially attractive vehicle for its elite players outside of Australia. That's all. No biggie really - what's the fuss, eh?

It doesn't matter anyway, because British rugby league has a rich history and the 1985 Challenge Cup final between Wigan and Hull was a beauty.




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