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What's going on at S.Wales Scorpions?


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#1 bearman

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 05:17 PM

According to their fans forums unless they get an extra £30,000 next year from the RFL they will not be playing.
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Edited by bearman, 07 September 2013 - 05:18 PM.

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#2 gingerjon

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 05:33 PM

They're playing to low crowds in a skint area.  The footyball club vanished a couple of seasons ago and I think the local RU team has also had to scale back.  Not a specifically league problem but obviously it would be massively damaging to RL if its only club in south Wales were to go.


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#3 South Wakefield Sharks

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 05:42 PM

Really interesting figures in that statement. Budget of £70k per season. £10k on coach travel, £35k on doctors, coaches, kit & accommodation. Leaving £25k for players. 25 player squad for 9 months = £110 each per month!

#4 Northern Sol

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 05:46 PM

I'm not sure which 30k, they were talking about that wasn't released last year.

#5 Jeff Stein

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 05:56 PM

Each CC1 club had their central funding reduced by £30,000 this year (in other words they received £100,000 in 2012; £70,000 in 2013) so that the three new clubs could receive central funding.



#6 eclecticsheep

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 06:12 PM

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#7 bewareshadows

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 06:15 PM

Very sad that a club needs so little.

 

Get half the attendance at the GF to throw a £1 in a bucket..   Job done.


Edited by bewareshadows, 07 September 2013 - 06:16 PM.

Super League the only place in the world where people still believe that less competitors and a closed market to new competition will improve the quality of the product.

Even the Chinese and the Cubans gave up on these marxist principles years ago.


SL with a reduced number of competitors and a closed market = North Korea.

#8 bewareshadows

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 06:16 PM

Although hard to argue they should get more from the RFL than the rest in their league.


Super League the only place in the world where people still believe that less competitors and a closed market to new competition will improve the quality of the product.

Even the Chinese and the Cubans gave up on these marxist principles years ago.


SL with a reduced number of competitors and a closed market = North Korea.

#9 Blind side johnny

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 06:18 PM

All Championship clubs are operating on reduced central funding next year and have known that for a long time. Any club that can't cope with that will have to "reconsider their future".


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#10 Number 7

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 06:24 PM

It would be a crying shame if our friends down in South Wales went to the wall after all they have tried to do down there.

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#11 deluded pom?

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 06:30 PM

Very sad that a club needs so little.
 
Get half the attendance at the GF to throw a £1 in a bucket..   Job done.

Do that for one club (I personally would be willing to contribute) and you have to do it for all. How about a £2 levy on all GF tickets to be shared around the CC1 clubs?

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#12 Scubby

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 07:02 PM

This is typical RL administration. Wine, dine and woo potential outpost clubs and then kick them in the nuts - particularly those who have to travel 1000s of miles every year. Just sort it out. FFS.



#13 Scubby

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 07:04 PM

The RFL also had hundreds of thousands of pounds from Bradford's reduced TV payout. SL clubs decided to share it between themselves.



#14 foozler

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 07:13 PM

Wigan are supposed to have close links with South Wales, can't they find the extra?



#15 Saintslass

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 07:23 PM

This is typical RL administration. Wine, dine and woo potential outpost clubs and then kick them in the nuts - particularly those who have to travel 1000s of miles every year. Just sort it out. FFS.

Couldn't agree more.  It's like they want to make life as difficult as possible for the expansion clubs they say they want.  The RFL irritates me to infuriates me on a far too regular basis.  Without them in their current guise I'm sure our game would run smoothly!



#16 MamaKangaroo

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 07:44 PM

The RFL also had hundreds of thousands of pounds from Bradford's reduced TV payout. SL clubs decided to share it between themselves.


This really annoyed me at the time, and even more so now.

The money should have gone to the lower leagues not the SL clubs.

I also agree that an extra £2 on GF ticket prices (and the championship and championship 1 finals) should be an option, with the money going to the lower leagues. Even if it was voluntary I think there are enough people who would pay it.

#17 Lounge Room Lizard

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 08:18 PM

The RFL are happy to waste money at SL level with Bradford and Crusaders and yet fail to look after development clubs in the Championships. The RFL wanted development clubs to come to the table and rightly so. But to cut their budgets and allow them to struggle  I fail o understand. I would rather the SL clubs got each 50K less and development clubs including Sheffield, Doncaster, Gateshead and Cumbria given the money to help them. The RFL some to often fail to realize how important and diificult things are outside SL especially for development clubs.



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Posted 07 September 2013 - 08:44 PM

The RFL are happy to waste money at SL level with Bradford and Crusaders and yet fail to look after development clubs in the Championships. The RFL wanted development clubs to come to the table and rightly so. But to cut their budgets and allow them to struggle  I fail o understand. I would rather the SL clubs got each 50K less and development clubs including Sheffield, Doncaster, Gateshead and Cumbria given the money to help them. The RFL some to often fail to realize how important and diificult things are outside SL especially for development clubs.


Not sure I have much sympathy here. There was a club in South Wales, they went north, went bust and were re-born as the North Wales Crusaders and they seem to be making a fist of things. Another bunch of people started up the South Wales Scorpions when Crusders ŵent north. Good news, but it is up to them to be able to fund themselves. Would like to see more money for all clubs, but can't see why we should feel any more sorry for the Scorpions that we should for Skolars, Hemel, Oxford etc.

I'm a big fan of rugby league in Wales, but I've got serious doubts about whether South Wales is the place for a pro rugby league side. It seems a pretty crowded sports market down there, with not a lot of money to go round, and they even seem to struggle to have top line club rugby union sides.

#19 Derwent

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 08:45 PM

Really interesting figures in that statement. Budget of £70k per season. £10k on coach travel, £35k on doctors, coaches, kit & accommodation. Leaving £25k for players. 25 player squad for 9 months = £110 each per month!


A bit of brinksmanship going on I think, and probably some over-exaggeration of costs too. Plus the fact that they get £70k from the RFL yet claim that is their total budget. So what happens to other income like gate receipts, sponsorship money, matchday income from bars, programmes, lottery etc then ?

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#20 THE RED ROOSTER

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 09:24 PM

This is turning into an Annus Horriblis for Rugby League.

 

The question here is simple, For Championship expansion clubs this issue is simply travel and accomodation costs. and yes, if the games rulers are committed to expansion then there needs to be an exemption . 

 

Clubs along the M62 do not have anything like the same costs for a routine day trip, So not it should not be handouts for all.

 

Lets get real here - You either support expansion or you do not . The limus test in this case and with other outpost clubs is whether there is any recognition that the problems of outposts clubs are different and that exemptions do need to be made.

 

I cannot believe we are seriously having a debate about this.


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