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#1 London Drifter

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 08:15 PM

According to twitter it will be South West London Chargers v Gateshead Storm

Thoughts & predictions?

#2 bbfaz

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 09:23 AM

Thoughts?  The Chargers "project" has clearly worked, given they did the London League and Cup double and have made the Harry Jepson Trophy final.  It seems the model for a successful senior side in London is the Hills Hoists/Chargers model.


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#3 Exiled Townie

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 10:50 AM

Sorry bbfaz, not sure what you are saying here.  Are you saying that London clubs should join up like Wests/Souths did to form the Chargers, or move venues to a more London central area to attract players.  Not sure how Hammersmith HH and Chargers are a 'model' to follow as one is the joining of two clubs to survive, and the other is a stand alone club since its formation.

Not having a go, just wondering what you mean! :)  


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#4 Impartial Observer

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:44 AM

Also one of the finalists has a lot of junior players in various age groups and the other doesnt have any so i suspect one in more sustainable than the other.

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 01:26 PM

Sorry bbfaz, not sure what you are saying here.  Are you saying that London clubs should join up like Wests/Souths did to form the Chargers, or move venues to a more London central area to attract players.  Not sure how Hammersmith HH and Chargers are a 'model' to follow as one is the joining of two clubs to survive, and the other is a stand alone club since its formation.

Not having a go, just wondering what you mean! :)  

 

I'm not saying anybody should do anything.  The Sharks were dead, the Storm were following them to the grave.  The season they've had to date - League and Cup double, Harry Jepson final - vindicates the decision to merge what was left of each club, vindicates moving training to Clapham and vindicates their recruitment policy.  It took them a few weeks to get warmed up too.

 

As for the clubs, they look like they're going about things in a similar way; inner suburbs, recruiting non-Londoners, no junior system.  Again, not criticising, just think it's a realistic approach to being competitive in London RL at a senior level.


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#6 London Drifter

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 03:12 PM

I think the game changer for Chargers was centralising their training at clapham common. Players live and work in totally different places in London and by having training that is 30 min from most of central London & then only 30 min from most of South & West London to get home has made the difference.

St Albans are in a different situation being out of London (along with Rhinos & Elmbridge) as you draw on your local player base.

I think the london model that bbfaz (correct me if I am wrong) was talking about was at the top level you need to find a central place to train that is easy for your player base to get too. Hammersmith is at Ealing & Chargers at Clapham Common - rather than picking a location and expecting players to travel to you?

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 03:14 PM

Exiled Townie are you guys staying in NCL South next year?

#8 Exiled Townie

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 06:46 PM

Exiled Townie are you guys staying in NCL South next year?

I have PM'd you.  The club will be making an announcement  re next season in the next week or so.


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#9 bbfaz

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 10:15 AM

Yes, Drifter, that is what I’m saying.   There are good, experienced players in this city, they just happen to be very spread out and almost entirely Aussie or Northern.  Either you go out to the suburbs, get prepared to lose for five years whilst you build your junior section and your general player base or alternatively you go central and use what’s there.  The problem is, if you go the latter route, you can’t really build a junior section.


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 11:10 AM

It was noticeable at the semi-final in Bristol between SWL and Devon Sharks how many Aussies and Northerners to London side had. In fact, I can't remember hearing a single London accent (though that's not to say there weren't Londoners playing - I'm sure there were).

It'll be interesting to see how Gateshead compare. The Chargers looked a decent side, though they struggled at times against Devon despite being on top (I.E they conceded quite a few tries, despite dominating possession, making more yards etc).
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#11 MalteseExile

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 12:25 PM

Gateshead had 14 of their 17 from the north east area , the others are made up from 1 auzzie who has lived in the north east for many years and 2 lads who have stayed in the north east since finishing their studies in the North East.

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 03:37 AM

It was noticeable at the semi-final in Bristol between SWL and Devon Sharks how many Aussies and Northerners to London side had. In fact, I can't remember hearing a single London accent (though that's not to say there weren't Londoners playing - I'm sure there were).

It'll be interesting to see how Gateshead compare. The Chargers looked a decent side, though they struggled at times against Devon despite being on top (I.E they conceded quite a few tries, despite dominating possession, making more yards etc).

Devon Sharks like all the Devon clubs are built on local players.... if some money (and not huge amounts) was put into the SW League then the game would grow very well. As it stands the clubs are run by passionate volunteers who may not have the knowledge or finance to move the game forward. 

 

Devon Sharks (All local lads, ran by northern exiles with local born players helping to run themselves....[ formed by two northerners, and two locals in 2006])

 

Exeter Centurions (All local lads, ran by northern exiles with one lad originally from Cambridge who had no involvement with any rugby until Centurions were formed.....[ Formed by one northern exile who also formed Basingstoke Beasts years ago])

 

North Devon Raiders (All young local lads with one northern exile who has since joined the club, they play and run themselves because they love rugby.... [formed by a league mad Plymothian in 2009ish])

 

Plymouth Titans (All local lads with a sprinkling of forces, ran by a young Plymothian committee....[formed by the same league mad Plymothian in 1985].) 


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#13 MidlandsRugbyLeague

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 06:36 AM

Devon Sharks like all the Devon clubs are built on local players.... if some money (and not huge amounts) was put into the SW League then the game would grow very well)


What would you spend it on?

#14 dogthebountyhunter

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 09:53 PM

We wouldn't want much really, maybe a Devon and Cornwall development officer and enough money to open the game up to others. 


Edited by dogthebountyhunter, 14 September 2013 - 09:54 PM.

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#15 keighley

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 01:02 AM

We wouldn't want much really, maybe a Devon and Cornwall development officer and enough money to open the game up to others.


that would be a more productive use of RFL money than propping up the Broncos.

#16 MidlandsRugbyLeague

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 05:55 AM

We wouldn't want much really, maybe a Devon and Cornwall development officer and enough money to open the game up to others.


What would they do?

#17 GeordieSaint

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 08:19 AM

What would they do?

 

Get the game into the schools?

 

I've always thought development officers should be trained in delivering coaching courses. They'd be a vital asset to develop local coaching talent, especially school teachers so that in the future, there would be less reliance on development officers. It is a long term viewpoint of course, something the RFL don't seem to be that good at (my limited opinion of course).


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#18 MidlandsRugbyLeague

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 03:08 PM

South West London Chargers 28 - 22 Gateshead Storm.

 

Healthy vocal support at the Butts Park Arena, lots of big hits, some great tries and

 

Unfortunately, Harry himself couldn't make it this year, which is a shame, although I understand he also missed the Challenge Cup Final too due to the distances. He would have been pleased with the standard of the game.



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Posted 15 September 2013 - 03:32 PM

South West London Chargers 28 - 22 Gateshead Storm.
 
Healthy vocal support at the Butts Park Arena, lots of big hits, some great tries and
 
Unfortunately, Harry himself couldn't make it this year, which is a shame, although I understand he also missed the Challenge Cup Final too due to the distances. He would have been pleased with the standard of the game.

That's a shame. I caught up with him in July up in Barrow. Gary Hetherington drove him up to Barrow to watch the Raiders v Hunslet.
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Posted 15 September 2013 - 05:00 PM


 
North Devon Raiders (All young local lads with one northern exile who has since joined the club, they play and run themselves because they love rugby.... [formed by a league mad Plymothian i

That northerner is my best mate and he says the lads are great and he's enjoying himself down there. He's a bit old a grey though now




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