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#21 Wollo Wollo Wayoo

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 11:47 AM

Two SL clubs have made offers to Agar? 
 
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Catalan and ?

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#22 Kenilworth Tiger

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 11:52 AM

Catalan and ?

Featherstone :)


Now then, it's a race between Sandie....and Fairburn....and the little man is in........yeees he's in.

I, just like those Castleford supporters felt that the ball should have gone to David Plange but he put the bit betwen his teeth...and it was a try

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 12:32 PM

Catalan and ?

 

 

Bradford if They've any sense.


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#24 Baaarrow

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 12:51 PM

Good luck Wakefield.

Great traditional club with fantastic support !


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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:57 PM

By the standards of Trinity's recent history, that is a bright new future.


Absolutely! Might not seem much for others, but for our Board to be honest and not try and feed us rubbish would be a major step forward.

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 02:24 PM

Bradford if They've any sense.

 

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#27 JohnM

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 03:31 PM

Two SL clubs have made offers to Agar? 

 

:blink:

 

maybe...but he doesn't say what the offers were.  :laugh:



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 08:56 PM

Tim Smith was sold for £70k to Salford and an immediate saving on 3 month's wages. Smith had been negotiating with Salford. Amor went for £50k as he wanted to go to Saints and said he would not be extending his contract beyond 2014, so if Wakey could get some cash for him, he would go now. Saints initial offer was £30k. Huddersfield made an offer, but Amor only wanted to go to Saints.

Most people in the room were supportive of the approach and of the opinion that selling Smith & Amor was not the best, but better to cash in now, rather than let them go for free later.


All very well if the solvency of a company were the only factor here. But it is not. Super League is in the entertainment industry and an already mediocre side just became a complete no hoper.

At Castleford it is a similar story. Talisman Chase out, Super League cast-offs Wheeldon and Seymour in. Just watch those season tickets fly out of the door and hear Sky's phone blaring to book in those Cas games for the prime time Friday night slots.

Yet again for Super League it is 1 step forward (Salford - main beneficiaries and obviously now worthy of attention) and 2 steps back.

The smart money says that both Wakey and Cas will enter administration next season. And there will be no Koukash saviour for these small historic clubs in a saturated market with zero commercial or wider appeal.

An obvious solution presents itself but won't materialise (yet) because the administrators and consumers of British rugby league are cowards and/or babies. Good luck to those Wakey fans for the next few years of hidings and digging deep into your pockets out of the stubborn, misguided belief that you deserve your stand-alone side and that they can be in any way successful again. You deserve nothing more. (By the way, a merged Calder side is eventually inevitable).


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#29 Larry the Leit

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 09:03 PM

Cas'll be alright. Probably better without Chase.
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#30 DeadShotKeen

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 09:05 PM

Cas'll be alright. Probably better without Chase.


Yeah being marshaled by 1 of the world's best halves never did it for me either.

Wigan need to bin that Tomkins lad before he does them any more damage as well.

#31 South Wakefield Sharks

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 09:20 PM

.The smart money says that both Wakey and Cas will enter administration next season.


The approach by the board is specifically to prevent Wakey going into administration.

#32 Ponterover

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 11:01 PM

 (By the way, a merged Calder side is eventually inevitable).

 

lol



#33 The Parksider

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 06:26 AM

An obvious solution presents itself but won't materialise (yet) because the administrators and consumers of British rugby league are cowards and/or babies. Good luck to those Wakey fans for the next few years of hidings and digging deep into your pockets out of the stubborn, misguided belief that you deserve your stand-alone side and that they can be in any way successful again. You deserve nothing more. (By the way, a merged Calder side is eventually inevitable).

 

You can't bin your customers and start again without taking a massive risk.

 

It's still on for Wakefield in terms of the new ground where they still remain a club who IMHO could reach 10,000 crowds and therefore don't need to sort of heavy perennial investment that is needed to prop Fartown up and will be more so needed at Fev.

 

Yes it's a shame the game can't/won't centrally plan in a radical fashion and that it goes ragged at the seams when we feel it doesn't have to be like that, It elongates the process of creating a true superleague. But to declare that Wakefield can never be successful again is way off the mark.

 

Why not wait for the Newmarket project and see what investment that brings, and whether it sucks Castleford in before being the judge of that Mr. Impatient?



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 08:01 AM

10K fans shouldn't be enough for an elite British rugby league comp. It should be a bare minimum.

 

20K should be nearer the mark. 



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 08:32 AM

10K fans shouldn't be enough for an elite British rugby league comp. It should be a bare minimum.

 

20K should be nearer the mark. 

 

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#36 Kenilworth Tiger

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 08:49 AM

Yeah being marshaled by 1 of the world's best halves never did it for me either.

Wigan need to bin that Tomkins lad before he does them any more damage as well.


And this post alone tells anybody all they need to know about your knowledge of the game
Now then, it's a race between Sandie....and Fairburn....and the little man is in........yeees he's in.

I, just like those Castleford supporters felt that the ball should have gone to David Plange but he put the bit betwen his teeth...and it was a try

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The real Mick Gledhill is what you see on here, a Bradford fan ........, but deep down knows that Bradford are just not good enough to challenge the likes of Leeds & St Helens.


#37 The Parksider

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:17 AM

10K fans shouldn't be enough for an elite British rugby league comp. It should be a bare minimum.
 
20K should be nearer the mark.


Well the top clubs with regular success like Leeds and Wigan will set the benchmark so it's more like 16,000, something Hull and Bradford got in the region of when they were successful. Something like 10,000 is a bare minium for avoiding having to have a rich man pumping millions in, but if they are willing to do it we'll have it so 5,000 is OK. Apparently in such cases they should all sit opposite the camera when the games on TV.

#38 Ponterover

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:21 AM

 Apparently in such cases they should all sit opposite the camera when the games on TV.

 

Actually, that does make a lot of sense.  I don't imagine the sight of half empty stadia does much to make the casual viewer, or more importantly potential sponsor think that we have much of a sport.

 

Seeing a chock full stand has got to be good for business.



#39 The Parksider

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:34 AM

Actually, that does make a lot of sense.  I don't imagine the sight of half empty stadia does much to make the casual viewer, or more importantly potential sponsor think that we have much of a sport.
Seeing a chock full stand has got to be good for business.


Hmmm I agree 100% in theory, IMHO in practice the full grounds also contain the top teams with on the field success driving crowds. I'd also suggest those watching on TV already largely pay to watch, anyway back on topic will the possible decline of cas and wakey be your chance to grow your crowds?

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:50 AM

Halifax did try this alongside trying to pay the debts Nigel Wood and friends had previously built up. As you said it ended in disaster as many fans and sponsors had already walked away due to the attitude of Wood and co. The crowds had dropped to sub 2500 and with such a weak team and then relegation the writing was on the wall. Fax never got rid of the debts Wood and co ´built and it was the debt the new board inherited that saw them bring out the buckets a few years later. Halifax have never recovered from this.

 

The most chilling paragraph in the entire thread.

 

The model above seems to be the one he still uses - but unfortunately - at a higher level. Sponsors walking away is particularly alarming and he appears to have repeated that feat again.

 

I sat at Wembley watching him wobble about, full of self importance and boiling with anger as to how he got where he is now (disasterously) residing. Its called waiting for the better man to move on.

 

Not wishing to hijack the OP - I wish Wakefield well and have no snide comments to make.

 

Above that - I have a real concern for the Game overall while it is mis-managed and under sold by the current regime - we are run by a bloke who cannot even be bothered to improve himself, his presentation technique or any other missing attribute. :ireful:






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