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#1 Ackroman

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:02 AM

Just wondering which kind of private enterprise would bother if the deterrent actually works.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24135219



#2 Larry the Leit

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:31 AM

How about this for a radical idea? Let's ask the police to do their job.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:42 AM

My thoughts exactly. Coupled with some decent local by-laws I can't see why they need a big stick.


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#4 JohnM

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:48 AM

I do not see why I should pay for our cops to play wet nurse to a load of aggressive violent vomiting drunks. Zero tolerance for mine.

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#5 chuffer

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 11:00 AM

when the first death occurs:

 

police: "he was not in our care, he was in fine conditions when we brought him in - it's not our responsibility"

tank operator: "he was in that state (all beat up) when the police brought him in - it's not our responsibility"



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 11:18 AM

Watching the episode of Bouncers where the 2 guys in Blyth let a drunk fall over in the street and bust his head open, made me wonder whether the hassle of giving him first aid and calling ambulance and having people questioning why they didn't prevent it makes me wonder what the incentive is to keep pubs and bars open beyond a reasonable time.



#7 Ackroman

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 11:18 AM

when the first death occurs:

 

police: "he was not in our care, he was in fine conditions when we brought him in - it's not our responsibility"

tank operator: "he was in that state (all beat up) when the police brought him in - it's not our responsibility"

Watching Bouncers on Channel 4, you have to wonder whether they would be more likely female.



#8 Larry the Leit

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 11:46 AM

Is it not part of a licencee's duty to refuse to serve those that are clearly intoxicated?

How about plod enforcing that?

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 12:02 PM

A Private company, who's staff will no doubt be on a targeted incentive are to administrate this. As was said above, what happens when the first death occurs in their care?

 

What happens when someone walking home is a little "staggery" but otherwise ok and is approached by one of their "operatives" who "insists" they "accompany" them to the drunk tank? What happens when the drunk refuses?


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#10 Johnoco

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:08 PM

A Private company, who's staff will no doubt be on a targeted incentive are to administrate this. As was said above, what happens when there first death occurs in their care?

What happens when someone walking home is a little "staggery" but otherwise ok and is approached by one of their "operatives" who "insists" they "accompany" them to the drunk tank? What happens when the drunk refuses?

Too true. I have been in some right states but the invisible booze coat and homing goggles always seem to work. If I had come across someone trying to justify their job, I may have well been bundled into one of these tanks. Refuse and what's the alternative? Get a beating and claim you were causing trouble.

If we are being overrun with drunken violence, how about the government actually look into the reasons?

#11 Bostik Bailey

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:10 PM

I'm not comfortable with law and order being outsourced from the police, which basically is what this is.

You always here sensational stories about how drunks are tieing up police time etc, but that's what we pay the police for. If there is a funding issue then get the pubs and clubs to pay more via licensing.

On a simialar point there was a documentary on a few weeks back saying 1 in 4police arrest are of someone who has mental health problems and they are tying up police time etc. BUT about 1 in 4 of the total population has mental health issues so the police stat is not extraordinary.

We pay for a police force to keep law and order, and they should stop thinking that certain aspects if this is not their job.

#12 JohnM

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 02:11 PM

the police already have some sort of records for deaths in custody. 

 

I thought the enforcement of licencing  conditions was done by the local licencing authority , not the police. see https://www.gov.uk/g...pply-of-alcohol

 

but yes, it would be a good idea to enforce them.

 

If someone gets ###### and starts fighting, vomits over the girlfriend/boyfriend, assaults the police, bouncers, PCSOs, paramedics, medics, indeed anyone, then they deserve all the get. I'd clear the town centre streets at 2 am using water cannons. Drunk and violent in A and E, I's stich their mouths and arses up and kick em out.

 

Zero sympathy, zero tolerance, maximum responsibility. ######? Pay!



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 02:18 PM

I's stich their mouths and arses up and kick em out.

With the same needle.

 

 

 

 

The problem with the whole idea is it does sound like someone's asked an Irishman how he is today.

 

Drunks tanks.

 

 

 

 

I'll get me coat.


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#14 Larry the Leit

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 04:48 PM

the police already have some sort of records for deaths in custody. 
 
I thought the enforcement of licencing  conditions was done by the local licencing authority , not the police. see https://www.gov.uk/g...pply-of-alcohol
 


Yes, but rather than actively engage with these bodies and get them to make sure licensing conditions are treated seriously plod just wants to walk away.

#15 Bostik Bailey

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 07:22 PM

What next. The police complaining that they are constantly putting resources into catching thieves.

When I read comments like this I get the impression that the police long for the good old days when their shift was like Phil and Nige from Early Doors.

#16 Johnoco

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 07:38 PM

Well, crime can't crack itself!

#17 Larry the Leit

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 07:49 PM

When I read comments like this I get the impression that the police long for the good old days when their shift was like Phil and Nige from Early Doors.


I get the impression that they're fighting to maintain it.

#18 longboard

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:08 PM

With the same needle.

 

The problem with the whole idea is it does sound like someone's asked an Irishman how he is today.

 

Drunks tanks.

 

I'll get me coat.

 

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#19 Bleep1673

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 09:01 AM

Or they could try this.....

 

http://www.hastingso...e-ban-1-5483963

 

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#20 Marauder

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 04:07 PM

I do not see why I should pay for our cops to play wet nurse to a load of aggressive violent vomiting drunks. Zero tolerance for mine.

Easy bring back a set opening and closing times and make it £5 a can and £60 a bottle of wine/spirits from supermarkets.


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