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#1 ckn

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 11:43 AM

For me, the invitation of Martin McGuinness to speak in Warrington yesterday by the father of one of the victims was a brave and worthy act, McGuinness also showed that terrorists can become part of the political solution if you can be brave enough to talk to them despite conflict still going on.

The moral bravery of Mr Parry is in understanding that the alternative to talking is more people dead.  I'm not sure I could or would be that understanding or brave in his place, I'd like to think I could but I'm just not sure.


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#2 Just Browny

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 11:54 AM

Nothing more to be said really. Colin Parry is a credit to our town with the work he's be doing for twenty years now. Incredible really.


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#3 Northern Sol

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 12:14 PM

I'd have killed him.

 

Yeah you remember to say "sorry" now but that won't stop you praising the bombers as "heroes" next week.



#4 JohnM

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 12:33 PM

Hmmmm. Killing Martin McGuiness, well, yes, that would have hardly improved things. more deaths more riots, more burning, more misery. 

 

 

.we seem to get on really well with Israel these days despite the Israeli terrorists who blew up the King David Hotel. killing almost 100 poeple.  Menachem Begin was a member prior to becoming Israel Prime minister



#5 Northern Sol

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 12:35 PM

Begin is dead and has nothing to do with the current Israeli government.



#6 Phil

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 12:46 PM

Hmmmm. Killing Martin McGuiness, well, yes, that would have hardly improved things. more deaths more riots, more burning, more misery. 

 

 

.we seem to get on really well with Israel these days despite the Israeli terrorists who blew up the King David Hotel. killing almost 100 poeple.  Menachem Begin was a member prior to becoming Israel Prime minister

 

Including my Uncle, but yes the alternative to moving on and reconciliation is continous bloodshed

 

Begin is dead and has nothing to do with the current Israeli government.

 

weasel words, you know damn well what John was on about


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#7 Maximus Decimus

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 04:02 PM

Martin McGuiness has done some terrible things but at the same time it is only people like him that can stop a situation like the one in Northern Ireland. Part of that reconciliation is allowing him to speak at situations like this. If you don't on both sides so this then you just perpetuate the madness.



#8 Northern Sol

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 07:34 PM

Including my Uncle, but yes the alternative to moving on and reconciliation is continous bloodshed
 
 
weasel words, you know damn well what John was on about


No, I don't.

We don't "get on perfectly fine" with Israel for one thing. We're still annoyed about the way that they used the passports of British citizens to carry out a hit. But that's by-the-by, we have no particular issue with Begin because he's dead. It would be like holding a grudge with the Germans over Hitler. Begin was one Israeli not Israel itself.

We don't need to hold a grudge against Northern Irish, at least not those who don't celebrate terrorists as heroes. But the guy who sat on the IRA army council when the decision to bomb Warrington was made? Hardly the same. McGuinness is an individual not a country.

#9 Northern Sol

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 07:36 PM

Martin McGuiness has done some terrible things but at the same time it is only people like him that can stop a situation like the one in Northern Ireland. Part of that reconciliation is allowing him to speak at situations like this. If you don't on both sides so this then you just perpetuate the madness.


I'm aware of that but let's not perpetuate the statesman myths. He's a "man-of-peace" insofar as he has stopped killing people and stopped aiding those who commit murder. He still glorifies terrorism when he feels that he has to.

#10 JohnM

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 10:15 PM

so you are not self nominating for the Nobel Peace Prize then? You prefer conflict?

#11 Northern Sol

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 10:16 PM

so you are not self nominating for the Nobel Peace Prize then? You prefer conflict?


I prefer giving peace prizes to non-terrorists.

I am aware that peace requires us to tolerate the odious toe-rag. I see no reason to kiss his murderous ######.

#12 JohnM

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 08:24 AM

yet we kiss loads of murderous arseholes all over the world. We have done so in teh past are doing so now and will do so in the future.

 

And we have had our own fair share of murderous arsholes, too.



#13 Northern Sol

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 09:28 AM

yet we kiss loads of murderous arseholes all over the world. We have done so in teh past are doing so now and will do so in the future.


But why do it when we don't really need to?
 

And we have had our own fair share of murderous arsholes, too.


I know but I don't expect them to be asked to speak at the site of a terrorist atrocity that they had a hand in.




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