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#1 ckn

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 12:18 PM

Oh dear... Guido Fawkes posted a bit of a side-swipe dig, as he does, at UKIP for having a front cover of their conference full of hundreds of people, all white.  It's obviously got the UKIP people a bit frothy mouthed as the comments are quite amusing to read.  Linky to Guido Fawkes blog

 

The most sensible comment on there is:  Vote UKIP... get Miliband.  Very true and something many UKIP voters really just don't seem to get.


Arguing with the forum trolls is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good you are, the bird will **** on the board and strut around like it won anyway


#2 Futtocks

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 12:58 PM

The comments on that site - dear me, there are some incredibly stupid/pompous/revolting people on the internet.

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#3 JohnM

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 01:00 PM

:yes:  :yes:  :yes:



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 01:18 PM

The comments on that site - dear me, there are some incredibly stupid/pompous/revolting people on the internet.

 

Unfortunately those same people live in the real world aswell



#5 Futtocks

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 01:33 PM

Unfortunately those same people live in the real world aswell

Thankfully most of them don't get out much...

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#6 Johnoco

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 01:35 PM

Ignore for a minute that it is UKIP. The big 2 parties always come out with this 'wasted vote' line. What they really mean is they don't want their respective positions challenged and the status quo changing.

No I don't care if you're if you're into different bands

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Pull off that cover, I will too, and learn to understand

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#7 ckn

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 01:39 PM

Ignore for a minute that it is UKIP. The big 2 parties always come out with this 'wasted vote' line. What they really mean is they don't want their respective positions challenged and the status quo changing.

There is that but, rare and very unusual coalitions aside, protest votes generally are wasted.  In this case though, each Tory that votes UKIP is a bonus for Labour.  There are UKIP members from all aspects of society but there are a disproportionate number of people I've seen saying "I used to vote Tory but now UKIP".  I suppose it's the same as those, like me, who gave up Labour and voted Lib Dem only to see my vote essentially go to create a Tory government.


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#8 Northern Sol

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 02:14 PM

Ignore for a minute that it is UKIP. The big 2 parties always come out with this 'wasted vote' line. What they really mean is they don't want their respective positions challenged and the status quo changing.


It's ironic that they peddle the "wasted vote" but still claim that the voting system is fair.

#9 ckn

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 02:57 PM

UKIP responds (Channel 4 video)  :D :D


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#10 Steve May

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 03:02 PM

The comments on that site - dear me, there are some incredibly stupid/pompous/revolting people on the internet.

 

It's difficult to work out who's worse - UKIP, Guido Fawkes, or the people commenting on Guido's website.


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#11 JohnM

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:52 PM

 

 

Brilliant!   Another Prescott moment. We need more!    Crick's agenda was patently obvious and it serves him right!  



#12 Wolford6

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 07:16 AM

 Vote UKIP... get Miliband.  Very true and something many UKIP voters really just don't seem to get.

 

Vote Tory and get Clegg; it's the flip side of the same coin.


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#13 gingerjon

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:51 PM

It's difficult to work out who's worse - UKIP, Guido Fawkes, or the people commenting on Guido's website.

 

They are all worse.


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#14 Johnoco

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:32 PM

I have just heard the Geoffrey Bloom 'sluts' comments. I may be the only one who thinks this but I think there has been a ludicrous over reaction. It was clearly a joke and IMO it is a worrying sign if hysteria like this occurs.

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Pull off that cover, I will too, and learn to understand

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#15 Griff9of13

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:00 PM

I have just heard the Geoffrey Bloom 'sluts' comments. I may be the only one who thinks this but I think there has been a ludicrous over reaction. It was clearly a joke and IMO it is a worrying sign if hysteria like this occurs.


If you or I said it in front of our mates, definitely. But for a politician at a public meeting no, not at all. Put it this way, f I said such a thing while at work I'd expect to be disciplined. And if I said it a meeting with a client possibly the sack.
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#16 RidingPie

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:52 PM

Its an interesting problem for me that I can't vote for either of the two major parties.

I can't vote labour because of their record of fiscal irresponsibility and lack of business sense.

I can't vote conservative because of their socially conservative pro religious outlook, not to mention that the fringes like to change leader whenever possible. (OK labour can go in for that last one at times too)

Going smaller I can't vote lib dem because they've proven they can't negotiate or stick to their guns.

I can't vote UKIP because I don't agree with any of their major beliefs.

The only answer for me is smaller political parties that actually know what they stand for, and a better electoral system. Neither is likely to happen. OK it would mean more coalitions but I honestly don't think that would be a disaster. Germany seems to manage quite well.

PS isn't there a day coming up when its fitting to burn Guido Fawkes?

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 02:32 PM

If you or I said it in front of our mates, definitely. But for a politician at a public meeting no, not at all. Put it this way, f I said such a thing while at work I'd expect to be disciplined. And if I said it a meeting with a client possibly the sack.

Whilst I know what you mean, it was definitely done in a jokey style and not malicious. It isn't even like he said it in private behind anyone's
back.

And how long until someone is reported for something similar in a private conversation?

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Pull off that cover, I will too, and learn to understand

With music deep inside we'll make world unity our plan

 

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#18 Steve May

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 02:36 PM

Its an interesting problem for me that I can't vote for either of the two major parties.

I can't vote labour because of their record of fiscal irresponsibility and lack of business sense.

I can't vote conservative because of their socially conservative pro religious outlook, not to mention that the fringes like to change leader whenever possible. (OK labour can go in for that last one at times too)

Going smaller I can't vote lib dem because they've proven they can't negotiate or stick to their guns.

I can't vote UKIP because I don't agree with any of their major beliefs.

The only answer for me is smaller political parties that actually know what they stand for, and a better electoral system. Neither is likely to happen. OK it would mean more coalitions but I honestly don't think that would be a disaster. Germany seems to manage quite well.

PS isn't there a day coming up when its fitting to burn Guido Fawkes?

 

You could vote Green.  They seem a sensible bunch on many issues.    Depending where you live you might even have a local party string enough to win council seats.


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#19 RidingPie

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 02:47 PM

You could vote Green.  They seem a sensible bunch on many issues.    Depending where you live you might even have a local party string enough to win council seats.


Until the Greens become sensible on nuclear power (eg support research in to fusion and MSR's) instead of this blanket 'everything nuclear is bad' idea I have problem with how they look at science. I just can't seen any other realistic way of reducing our carbon emissions.

In fairness though they are probably as close as I'll get at the moment without starting my own party, which would undoubtedly only get one vote, possibly two if my wife was feeling generous.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 03:34 PM

Until the Greens become sensible on nuclear power (eg support research in to fusion and MSR's) instead of this blanket 'everything nuclear is bad' idea I have problem with how they look at science. I just can't seen any other realistic way of reducing our carbon emissions.

In fairness though they are probably as close as I'll get at the moment without starting my own party, which would undoubtedly only get one vote, possibly two if my wife was feeling generous.

 

I think it's not so much science that is their problem but technology.  I think they're still too anti-technology to get my vote and support, but they are at least a realistic alternative to the big 3.     If I didn't vote Labour I would almost certainly vote Green.


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