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#21 Maximus Decimus

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 06:24 PM

I have just heard the Geoffrey Bloom 'sluts' comments. I may be the only one who thinks this but I think there has been a ludicrous over reaction. It was clearly a joke and IMO it is a worrying sign if hysteria like this occurs.


I'd agree that there's been an over-reaction but in this day and age you can't make jokes and use loaded terms like that. There are certain words that you just can't use no matter what the situation, take the N word for instance.

I'd feel slightly sorry for the guy but Bloom is a clown and he is living in the past. I first came across him in an interview where he was arguing that people not being able to sack staff for getting pregnant was 'like the Soviet Union' and 'just maaaaaaaadness.'

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 08:15 PM

I'd agree that there's been an over-reaction but in this day and age you can't make jokes and use loaded terms like that. There are certain words that you just can't use no matter what the situation, take the N word for instance.

I'd feel slightly sorry for the guy but Bloom is a clown and he is living in the past. I first came across him in an interview where he was arguing that people not being able to sack staff for getting pregnant was 'like the Soviet Union' and 'just maaaaaaaadness.'

I aren't saying I agree with him or even have any time for him. I just think people are too quick to get carried away and over react. The way I heard it presented was that he called all women sluts when in reality it was just a throwaway remark about cleaning behind the fridge.

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#23 JohnM

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 06:08 AM

I aren't saying I agree with him or even have any time for him. I just think people are too quick to get carried away and over react. The way I heard it presented was that he called all women sluts when in reality it was just a throwaway remark about cleaning behind the fridge.


Exactly. However, he deserves to go for not anticipating the storm. Plus sadly, the fewer clowns in UKip , the better they will do. There is, though still some way to go.

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 08:07 AM

Exactly. However, he deserves to go for not anticipating the storm. Plus sadly, the fewer clowns in UKip , the better they will do. There is, though still some way to go.


So basically we end up with a load of politicians who only say things on a pre prepared script. Then people will complain about soulless politicians reading to a script :rolleyes:

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 09:02 AM

I'm happy that Bloom's gone and Farage showed decisiveness in removing the whip.  Anything that makes UKIP more credible is good stuff as far as I'm concerned, the more credible they are then the more Tory voters they get.  Every extra Tory defector reduces the chance that there's going to be a Tory majority next time around.  I acknowledge that they have a wider appeal than just Tories but the largest proportion of new voters will come from Tory ranks.

 

Also, the democrat in me is happy that there's a substantial party out there for people who are strongly anti-EU.  The Tories despite their occasional rants are secretly quite happy that we're in the EU and most people know that, UKIP gives them a different option.


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 09:05 AM

I'm happy that Bloom's gone and Farage showed decisiveness in removing the whip.  Anything that makes UKIP more credible is good stuff as far as I'm concerned, the more credible they are then the more Tory voters they get.  Every extra Tory defector reduces the chance that there's going to be a Tory majority next time around.  I acknowledge that they have a wider appeal than just Tories but the largest proportion of new voters will come from Tory ranks.

 

Also, the democrat in me is happy that there's a substantial party out there for people who are strongly anti-EU.  The Tories despite their occasional rants are quite secretly happy that we're in the EU and most people know that, UKIP gives them a different option.

 

The speed with which Farage removed him suggests that he was keen for an excuse.


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 11:30 AM

..... the more credible they are then the more Tory voters they get.  Every extra Tory defector reduces the chance that there's going to be a Tory majority next time around.  I acknowledge that they have a wider appeal than just Tories but the largest proportion of new voters will come from Tory ranks..

As you say, I think the majority of Ukip voters will be ex Conservatives, but I think there are also many Labour voters that might just see Ukip as a party to vote for as well.    An elderly aunt, in her 80's, very clued up and a Labour party member for many years told me that she will be voting Ukip next time round because the current Labour party are not a labour party that she recognises and in her words, "if Ukip do well it might just shake the bu**ers up".  When I go back up North I have heard numerous dyed in the wool Labour voters say they are seriously considering voting for Ukip, all for different reasons.


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#28 West Country Eagle

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:58 PM

As you say, I think the majority of Ukip voters will be ex Conservatives, but I think there are also many Labour voters that might just see Ukip as a party to vote for as well.    An elderly aunt, in her 80's, very clued up and a Labour party member for many years told me that she will be voting Ukip next time round because the current Labour party are not a labour party that she recognises and in her words, "if Ukip do well it might just shake the bu**ers up".  When I go back up North I have heard numerous dyed in the wool Labour voters say they are seriously considering voting for Ukip, all for different reasons.


I always find it amazing that dyed-in-the-wool traditional Labour voters would vote for UKIP. I can understand their anger/frustration at the way Labour is going, but surely voting for what's basically the loony wing of the Tory party (see their very right wing economic policies etc) is against their socialist/left-leaning principles? I'm irritated (still) with the Labour party, but I'd never vote for the Tories or UKIP. To be honest I have no idea who I will vote for at the next election, as the Lib Dems aren't appealing, either.
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#29 archibald

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 01:44 PM

socialist/left leaning principles? labour voters? really?



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 01:58 PM

I think its because West Cumbria is a Labour stronghold that comments about people changing alliances seems to stand out to me.  I am definitely not a political animal and don't bring politics into conversations down at the pub,  but it seems that just lately that Ukip is being mentioned as a possible alternative by traditional labour supporters more and more.

The general feedback that I get from family and friends who are in the North West is that they are looking at Ukip because they say Nigel Farage talks more sense (no mention about substance) and says things that is more in common with 'the common man' than the other three party leaders.

 

And like you WCE, I haven't a clue who I would vote for in the next election either, I can't pick any party that stands out from a very sorry bunch.


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#31 JohnM

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 02:59 PM

I'm happy that Bloom's gone and Farage showed decisiveness in removing the whip.  Anything that makes UKIP more credible is good stuff as far as I'm concerned, the more credible they are then the more Tory voters they get.  Every extra Tory defector reduces the chance that there's going to be a Tory majority next time around.  I acknowledge that they have a wider appeal than just Tories but the largest proportion of new voters will come from Tory ranks.

 

Also, the democrat in me is happy that there's a substantial party out there for people who are strongly anti-EU.  The Tories despite their occasional rants are secretly quite happy that we're in the EU and most people know that, UKIP gives them a different option.

 

Not entirely sure that is how it will work.  The more of the rabid right that leave the Conservative Party, the more the moderate Conservative voters are likely to be attracted.  Most Conservative voters that I know are supportive of our membership of the EU. 



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Posted 29 September 2013 - 11:34 AM

Just caught a few minutes of the Andrew Marr Show on BBC this morning, and David Cameron has said Nigel Farage should not take part in any pre election leader debates, stating they should only involve people who "have a prospect of becoming prime minister."   If that's the case maybe Clegg should be excluded as well.

 

Why on earth would Cameron be so afraid to have a debate with Farage? I think the answer is that Farage would rip Cameron to pieces.  Whatever you opinions of Farage/Ukip, from what I have seen of him on tv, Farage does do 'live debate' well.



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Posted 29 September 2013 - 12:57 PM

 

Why on earth would Cameron be so afraid to have a debate with Farage? I think the answer is that Farage would rip Cameron to pieces. 

 

Cameron would come out of it better than Clegg and Miliband.

 

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#34 ckn

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 07:44 PM

No point starting a new thread so reusing this one... Michael Heseltine says of UKIP “Of course it’s racist, who doubts that? Farage isn’t racist but his party is very attractive to a racist agenda.”


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