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Poll: Are you in favour of Royal Mail privatisation? (28 member(s) have cast votes)

Are you in favour of Royal Mail privatisation?

  1. Yes (5 votes [17.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.86%

  2. No (23 votes [82.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 82.14%

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#41 JohnM

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 03:46 PM

to keep an old tradition going? Don't forget, it was Labour's idea in the first place, back in 2008.  One question that the opposition to this have not satisfactorily answered is how to find the money necessary to ensure that Royal Mail is able to invest in the productivity and performance improvement necessary to deliver the services that 21st century life needs.

 

If they borrow it, they have to pay it back. Price controls rule out that option, too, so its down to more tax hikes.

 

Of course, the govt could have just  not bothered, in which case the who thing would have come crashing down at some point



#42 Ramite

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 04:40 PM

I think part of the issue is governments of Tory and Labour took profits from RM when they were doing well. It meant they couldn't invest to keep up . Maybe if they hadn't needed to keep tipping in to the treasury they would be in a better state today. I think it is shame they will be privatised as someone as already suggested in the medium term the universal service will be gone. If you are in the sticks then a delivery once a week will be a norm. Prices go up and the service gets worse. It seems inevitable as mooted for a long time by various governments.
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#43 JohnM

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 05:17 PM

may there is a price to pay for the delights of living in the sticks. Some well-heeled person living in the back of beyond in the lakes , was on TV the other day bemoaning lack of mobile phone signal and the lack of high speed broadband.  Why should the taxpayers be forced to pay for her to live somewhere with great views. You chose to live there missus, you pay for the service.



#44 Derwent

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 08:22 AM

Some of the issues raised against privatisation are nonsense and just scare tactics without much substance.

For example, people saying the delivery days will drop to less than 6 a week - absolute garbage, it is enshrined in the Postal Services Act that this is a minimum provision for the UK's primary service provider. A privatised RM will still be legally obliged to maintain that service "at a uniform and affordable cost".

Also, while RM may be profitable (but only just) it doesn't make enough to service the sort of investment it is going to need in future, which would require public funds.

Then there is the issue of the pension scheme. Last year the government took on the huge liabilities in the RM scheme and a new scheme was formed. Just one year later that new scheme has already got a deficit of ~£300m !

Finally, the same arguments were raised when Germany and Holland privatised their postal service and guess what they are acknowledged as being the two most efficient and cost effective postal services in Europe now.

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#45 archibald

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 09:37 AM

In 2002, Deutsche Post was granted a license to deliver mail in the United Kingdom, breaking Royal Mail's long-standing monopoly.

 

 From wiki, so, y'know, usual disclaimer.



#46 Phil

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:11 AM

So, it's you who keeps on putting the price of stamps up! When do they hand out our share of the profits as I never seem to get my cheque!

 

 

Your lack of self awareness is almost insouciant. Goes along with your lack of social responsibility I suppose.


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#47 archibald

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:21 AM

Your lack of self awareness is almost insouciant. Goes along with your lack of social responsibility I suppose.

Each month the government takes a sum of money off me that pays for my social responsibility, whatever that even means. And if I own the RM, why the hell do I have to pay to use it!



#48 Ramite

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:25 AM

Derwent I'm sure in the short term universal delivery will stay. I'm sure it wouldn't take much to repeal said act. What odds on a politician saying why are government interfering in a private company they know better than we do. Lets let them get on with it. Sure it's not certain to happen that way but possible.
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#49 Derwent

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 12:44 PM

Derwent I'm sure in the short term universal delivery will stay. I'm sure it wouldn't take much to repeal said act. What odds on a politician saying why are government interfering in a private company they know better than we do. Lets let them get on with it. Sure it's not certain to happen that way but possible.



The act was only introduced in 2011 as preparation for the privatisation of RM. It is there to safeguard the postal service and to ensure, among other things, that deliveries are at least maintained at current levels and that there is a standard postage charge wherever you may live. Any private company could not unilaterally decide to cut deliveries or charge people in the Dounreay more for the service. It'd require an act of parliament to do so. But the lefties will keep peddling the same old lies and myths as scare stories to suit their agenda, they won't let facts get in the way.

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#50 Griff9of13

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 01:32 PM

You do know the act only guarantees the universal service until 2021 don't you?
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#51 Derwent

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 01:50 PM

You do know the act only guarantees the universal service until 2021 don't you?


And ? You know for sure that RM wouldn't want changes in future ? The world is constantly changing, what's relevant today might not be relevant in 5 years time. You adapt or die, it's natural evolution.

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#52 Ramite

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 02:11 PM

The act was only introduced in 2011 as preparation for the privatisation of RM. It is there to safeguard the postal service and to ensure, among other things, that deliveries are at least maintained at current levels and that there is a standard postage charge wherever you may live. Any private company could not unilaterally decide to cut deliveries or charge people in the Dounreay more for the service. It'd require an act of parliament to do so. But the lefties will keep peddling the same old lies and myths as scare stories to suit their agenda, they won't let facts get in the way.

I'm well aware it would take an act if parliament , it's not certain this would be happen but certainly a possibility to tweak the t's and c's of the New RM. I'm not against privatization somethings governments don't need an input into and should be sold off. My issue is that RM gets privatized and cost to use go up and service gets worse. What use is that we can't use anyone else for letters. Not sure if the lefty comment was aimed at me. First time I've been called that if so !
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#53 Johnoco

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 02:12 PM

And ? You know for sure that RM wouldn't want changes in future ? The world is constantly changing, what's relevant today might not be relevant in 5 years time. You adapt or die, it's natural evolution.

Why does a service that is owned by the taxpayer and, exists primarily, to deliver their mail and packages, need to adapt? It needs to adapt in terms of moving from bicycles to vans like it has done in the past but it shouldn't be in competition with anyone.

 

And its not scare tactics, what is the law today can easily, easily, be removed if it gets in the way of a few rich people getting even richer.


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#54 Methven Hornet

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 02:20 PM

Why does a service that is owned by the taxpayer and, exists primarily, to deliver their mail and packages, need to adapt? It needs to adapt in terms of moving from bicycles to vans like it has done in the past but it shouldn't be in competition with anyone.

 

And its not scare tactics, what is the law today can easily, easily, be removed if it gets in the way of a few rich people getting even richer.

 

Which is, of course, the fear. The claim is that the Universal Service Obligation is safe as it would mean the issue being brought before Parliament before it could be changed. Well, that doesn't seem much of a guarantee.


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#55 Methven Hornet

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 02:28 PM

I'm well aware it would take an act if parliament , it's not certain this would be happen but certainly a possibility to tweak the t's and c's of the New RM. I'm not against privatization somethings governments don't need an input into and should be sold off. My issue is that RM gets privatized and cost to use go up and service gets worse. What use is that we can't use anyone else for letters. Not sure if the lefty comment was aimed at me. First time I've been called that if so !

 

The 'leftie' term of abuse tends to be levelled at anyone who questions the current neo-liberal economic orthodoxy, I wouldn't worry about it. In my experience, many of the people objecting most strongly to privatisation are traditional, right-wing Tories. Still, why let reality get in the way of juvenile insults.


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#56 Ramite

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 02:54 PM

It's no bother I'm not in the slightest insulted. I enjoy reading the debate on here from all points of view.
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#57 Derwent

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 04:46 PM

Why does a service that is owned by the taxpayer and, exists primarily, to deliver their mail and packages, need to adapt? It needs to adapt in terms of moving from bicycles to vans like it has done in the past but it shouldn't be in competition with anyone.

And its not scare tactics, what is the law today can easily, easily, be removed if it gets in the way of a few rich people getting even richer.


1. Privatisation will free RM to make its own commercial decisions and be able to also compete for contracts in other countries if it wishes. That is a good thing for everyone.

2. You could have said the same things about competition etc about BT years ago, look at what they have achieved once free of government ownership.

3. Who are these rich people who will get even richer ? In a flotation this size the biggest investors will be institutional ones, mainly pension funds for the benefit of the likes of you and I ultimately.

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#58 Derwent

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 04:51 PM

Which is, of course, the fear. The claim is that the Universal Service Obligation is safe as it would mean the issue being brought before Parliament before it could be changed. Well, that doesn't seem much of a guarantee.


IIRC correctly you work for Royal Mail so you're hardly likely to have an unbiased opinion !

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#59 Johnoco

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 06:41 PM

1. Privatisation will free RM to make its own commercial decisions and be able to also compete for contracts in other countries if it wishes. That is a good thing for everyone.

2. You could have said the same things about competition etc about BT years ago, look at what they have achieved once free of government ownership.

3. Who are these rich people who will get even richer ? In a flotation this size the biggest investors will be institutional ones, mainly pension funds for the benefit of the likes of you and I ultimately.

BT was different. Besides, I haven't said I am anti privatisation full stop., just not in certain institutions. 

 

Who are these rich people? Well, it will go like this; loads of people with a few grand to invest will buy some shares, maybe make a few quid then bail out. Gradually the shares will end up in a handful of peoples portfolios, ie very rich people. In a few years see if these people give a monkeys if someone in the middle of nowhere (or anyone) gets a postal service 6 days a week. 


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#60 Griff9of13

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 09:25 PM

IIRC correctly you work for Royal Mail so you're hardly likely to have an unbiased opinion !

 

Or actually knows what he's talking about.


Edited by Griff9of13, 29 September 2013 - 09:25 PM.

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