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#1 thehullram

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 09:02 PM

So England will name their squad next week. Here is the 24 I would name:-

 

  1. Tomkins
  2. Hall
  3. Cudjoe
  4. Watkins
  5. Charnley
  6. Widdop
  7. Sinfield
  8. C Hill
  9. Roby
  10. Mossop
  11. Westwood
  12. Hock
  13. O' Loughlin
  14. G Burgess
  15. S Burgess
  16. Crabtree
  17. Chase
  18. Ferres
  19. Houghton
  20. Graham
  21. Ablett
  22. Ratchford
  23. Smith
  24. Kirmond (if eligible)


#2 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 09:05 PM

Sinfield and Ablett must never,ever be in any England squad..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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#3 Exiled Wiganer

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:08 PM

I think that won't be far off.
Smith would do a job (esp if it rains).

#4 The Big Gun

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 09:14 AM

I'm now of the opinion that Crabtree should not be in the squad. All he really brings to the table is size - he has no explosion and rarely tests the opposition line. I think both Hill and Mossop offer much more.

#5 Ant

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 09:32 AM

Just shows how little you know eh

#6 GeordieSaint

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 09:39 AM

I think both Hill and Mossop offer much more.

 

I thought Mossop was immense last night; a must in the squad. So if we are taking six props into the competition, I'd have:

 

1. G Burgess

2. Graham

3. Crabtree

4. Hill

5. Mossop

6. L or T Burgess

 

Big S Burgess would be playing in the back three for mine...


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#7 Mushy

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 03:51 PM

Mushy's England 2013 WC

Tomkins
Charnley
Watkins
Cudjoe
Hall
Chase
Smith
Peacock
Sinfield
Graham
S Burgess
Westwood
O'Loughlin

Burrow
G Burgess
Hock
Crabtree

Taylor
Ablett
Kirmond
Roby
Widdop
Ratchford
Hardaker

Not a bad team or squad with most of the team being in great form (but some looking a little dodgy or crocked). You could swap a few of these with little difference I reckon.

#8 TheBinman

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 04:44 PM

Tomkins
Charnley
Cudjoe
Watkins
Hall
Chase
Sinfield
Mossop
Mclorum
Graham
Westwood
Burgess
Oloughlin
Subs
Roby
G burgess
Hill
Hock
Personally wasn't much of a fan of mclorum but believe he's devolving into a very good hooker does alot of the little things very well espcially in defence and is aggressive which we certainly need to be think were a little soft if I'm honest need a bit of grunt which looking at the team I've picked there's a bit in there.

#9 Scubby

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 04:49 PM

1. Tomkins

2. Charnley

3. Watkins

4. Ratchford

5. Hall

 

6. Sinfield

7. Widdop

 

8. Graham

9. Roby

10. Hill

11. S Burgess

12. Westwood

13. O'Loughlin

 

14. Chase

15. Crabtree

16. G Burgess

17. Hock



#10 Exiled Wiganer

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 04:59 PM

Here are my thoughts on my definites:
1s Sam Hardacre
Ws Hall Josh Briscoe
Cs Watkins
1/2s Sinfield Chase Smith Widdop
Ps Graham G Burgess Mossop Hill
9s Roby
2s Westwood S Burgess Hock
13s Lockers

Leaving 5 not so sures:
Ratchford
Cudjoe
Crabtree
Ablett
McIllorum (agree with Binman)

Wouldn't be up in arms at Houghton, Lineham, Faz, Goulding, Myler (lol), other Burgesses or Ferres getting a call. We need a 17 who can defend for 80 and score 16 or more points. With a back 3 of Josh, Hall and Sam, we just need 14 good defenders. Having been rubbish, Smith's defence is no so much better, I've persuaded myself that he would be good bet ahead of Chase in wet weather.

#11 Johnoco

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 08:05 PM

I'm now of the opinion that Crabtree should not be in the squad. All he really brings to the table is size - he has no explosion and rarely tests the opposition line. I think both Hill and Mossop offer much more.

Disagree. Crabtree has always put in a decent performance against the Aussies and has certainly not let anyone down.

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#12 MrPosh

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 08:15 PM

Here are my thoughts on my definites:
1s Sam Hardacre
Ws Hall Josh Briscoe
Cs Watkins
1/2s Sinfield Chase Smith Widdop
Ps Graham G Burgess Mossop Hill
9s Roby
2s Westwood S Burgess Hock
13s Lockers

Leaving 5 not so sures:
Ratchford
Cudjoe
Crabtree
Ablett
McIllorum (agree with Binman)

Wouldn't be up in arms at Houghton, Lineham, Faz, Goulding, Myler (lol), other Burgesses or Ferres getting a call. We need a 17 who can defend for 80 and score 16 or more points. With a back 3 of Josh, Hall and Sam, we just need 14 good defenders. Having been rubbish, Smith's defence is no so much better, I've persuaded myself that he would be good bet ahead of Chase in wet weather.

 

Who on earth are Sam Hardacre and Josh Briscoe?


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#13 TheBinman

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 08:17 PM

I think both hill and mossop do seem to give bit more go forward and seem to get quicker ptb then Crabtree but like the previous post he's actually done well against the Aussies and its great to have depth and genuine options, I suppose it depends on how many props were going with and wer the likes of burgess will come under.
Then there's the likes of Tom and Luke burgess, Taylor, Crosby ect were certainly not short of options

#14 walter sobchak

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 08:35 PM

My 24 for what it's worth would be:
1. Sam Tomkins
2. josh charnley
3. Kallum Watkins
4. Leroy cudjoe
5. Ryan hall
6. Gareth widdop
7. rangi chase
8. James graham
9. James Roby
10. Lee mossop
11. Sam burgess
12. Ben Westwood
13. Sean o'loughlin
14. Rob burrow
15. George burgess
16. Gareth hock
17. Errol Crabtree
18. Zak hardaker
19. Tom briscoe
20. Stefan ratchford
21. Matty smith
22. Chris hill
23. Danny Houghton
24. Kevin sinfield

#15 Bomballey

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 09:05 PM

Still not convinced by our centres...it's our weakest area

#16 XIII

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 09:13 PM

My 24 for what it's worth would be:
1. Sam Tomkins
2. josh charnley
3. Kallum Watkins
4. Leroy cudjoe
5. Ryan hall
6. Gareth widdop
7. rangi chase
8. James graham
9. James Roby
10. Lee mossop
11. Sam burgess
12. Ben Westwood
13. Sean o'loughlin
14. Rob burrow
15. George burgess
16. Gareth hock
17. Errol Crabtree
18. Zak hardaker
19. Tom briscoe
20. Stefan ratchford
21. Matty smith
22. Chris hill
23. Danny Houghton
24. Kevin sinfield


That is likely the 1-17 I would like to see, although I think Sinfield will come in at the expense of Burrow with either Widdop or Roby dropping to the bench. Crabtree, Hock and G Burgess would be my bench too. The rest of the squad looks a little light forwards wise especially back rowers. Assuming Burrow drops into the 18-24 squad numbers I would go

18. Rob Burrow
19. Zak Hardaker
20. Stefan Ratchford
21. Chris Hill
22. Carl Ablett
23. Luke Burgess
24. Brett Ferres, although this could be JJB or Jon Wilkin.

#17 TheBinman

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 09:30 PM

Still not convinced by our centres...it's our weakest area


Got to agree not something I was worried about but looking at it now its not certainly not as confident as I was espcially if we were to get any more injuries

#18 Mushy

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 02:36 AM

Great positive thread and debate on here this far. Must be a sign that we are starting to feel ok for the World Cup.

I agree with a lot of the above, particularly Exiled's comments. NZ 2008 taught us that you start with an aggressive defence and great kick chase game, and build your attack around a few strike players. Personally I would have Smith and Sinfield in the side as the best players we've got for playing good structure and excellent kicking games. With the Sams, Josh and maybe an in-form Chase and Burrow we've also got 20 points vs Aus in us.

#19 TheBinman

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:08 AM

Great positive thread and debate on here this far. Must be a sign that we are starting to feel ok for the World Cup.

I agree with a lot of the above, particularly Exiled's comments. NZ 2008 taught us that you start with an aggressive defence and great kick chase game, and build your attack around a few strike players. Personally I would have Smith and Sinfield in the side as the best players we've got for playing good structure and excellent kicking games. With the Sams, Josh and maybe an in-form Chase and Burrow we've also got 20 points vs Aus in us.

That's the key for me against the Aussies and kiwis we've got to be able to play at a high speed tempo and to be aggressive this is an area wer I feel we've struggled, think Matty smith may hav forced himself into the squad possible a good performance on Saturday will only help I suppose but personally I'd go with sinfield and chase, I admit Individually may not be the best but as a partnership along with Tomkins at the back we seemed to hav developed a decent combination here and a bit of consistency.

Edited by TheBinman, 29 September 2013 - 10:09 AM.


#20 Scubby

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:43 AM

That's the key for me against the Aussies and kiwis we've got to be able to play at a high speed tempo and to be aggressive this is an area wer I feel we've struggled, think Matty smith may hav forced himself into the squad possible a good performance on Saturday will only help I suppose but personally I'd go with sinfield and chase, I admit Individually may not be the best but as a partnership along with Tomkins at the back we seemed to hav developed a decent combination here and a bit of consistency.

 

Don't think Matty Smith will be anywhere near the squad. Those who have followed the ETS for the last 2 years will have noticed that McNamara has used Myler, Widdop, Chase and Sinfield as half-back options. All 4 are fit so I anticipate all four being in the final squad.


Edited by Scubby, 29 September 2013 - 10:45 AM.





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