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#21 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 03:47 PM

If he has never caused problems to the big 2 how has he been MOM in his last 2 games v NZ?

Just sayin like ;-)

Didn't you read the post where games against NZ don't count,c'mon, get with the  program. ;)


Edited by terrywebbisgod, 02 October 2013 - 04:05 PM.

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#22 Wolford6

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 03:48 PM

I find myself in the unusual position of defending Kevin Sinfield, the man who can literally whinge for England.

 His high kicks spiral and tumble in flight like no-else's that I've seen. Also, he doesn't disappear when things aren't going right for him.

It's also likely that Sean O'Loughlin won't be fully fit. I think Sam Burgess will end up playing for a bit in three different positions during a game. I also think that, at the very least, Gareth Hock and Michael McIlorum will spend time in the sin bin. KS is able to cover loose forward, stand-off and hooker.

 

 

 

 

Zak Hardaker and Tom Burgess are the luckiest players. Big Eorl, Danny Houghton and Stefan Ratchford are the unluckiest.

Still, I'm not complaining.

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#23 Viking Warrior

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 03:58 PM

ratchford is by far the unluckiest, the best utility player in super league by a country mile.
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#24 XIII

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 05:16 PM

ratchford is by far the unluckiest, the best utility player in super league by a country mile.


I agree here. I would definitely have picked Ratchford and then one of Briscoe or Hardaker.

#25 bobbruce

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 08:59 PM

Luckiest - Briscoe
Unluckiest - Lunt

#26 Roy Boy

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 01:48 AM

ratchford is by far the unluckiest, the best utility player in super league by a country mile.


Next to Richard Whiting you obviously meant! ;)
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#27 Roy Boy

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 01:50 AM

Double post - but Richard Whiting, whilst unfortunately too slow, is the most versatile player in SL by a country mile :)

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#28 Larry the Leit

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 03:28 AM

Double post - but Richard Whiting, whilst unfortunately too slow, is the most versatile player in SL by a country mile :)

 

Whiting is like Kevin Sinfield, but he's actually good.



#29 Bomballey

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 10:29 PM

Whiting is like Kevin Sinfield, but he's actually good.


Blasphemous that is. You can't criticise royalty like that. You are referring to a player that is truly world class.....

I'm a fan of Whitjng but the difference between him and KS is that he's not quite good enough in any position he plays for his club to get an international cap...........

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 10:39 PM

Definitely the luckiest player is Sinfield, he has this aura about him that is totally manufactured when it comes to his offerings as an international player, good club player yes, international no. He has never caused problems to the big two and they will not need any special or particular instruction to nullify him.

McNamara sees him as the savior of English Rugby League for some reason, His kicking game is nowhere near the best in SL, he has never been blessed with great pace - and certainly not with the passing years - his tackling is adequate, and his distribution OK, in total, quite an average player, no wonder there were jeers from all corners of the globe when he was nominated the Worlds Best -

I will challenge anyone to tell me who he is better than if he is selected at 6,7,9 or 13 than other members of this current squad, in fact I would go as far to say that he has never been the best that could have been selected in any of those positions in any Rep game he has played.

Hope I am totally wrong but even accounting for our weak centers I think he will prove to be "The Weakest Link"

This is not a Kevin Sinfield assassination, it is just pointing out reality.


You've nailed that....

#31 Wolford6

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 08:40 AM

Definitely the luckiest player is Sinfield

 

 

I will challenge anyone to tell me who he is better than if he is selected at 6,7,9 or 13 than other members of this current squad,

 

 

When it comes to goal kicking and tactical kicking, all of them.


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#32 7723

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 08:47 AM

When it comes to goal kicking and tactical kicking, all of them.

 

His tactical kicking against Wigan was awful, no where near as good as Matty Smiths. I would also challenge it isn't as good as Widdops.

 

A player should not be picked on how good his kicking is either, it should be how good a player he is inclusive of kicking. He is not as good at hooker as Roby, he is not as good at half back as Matty Smith, Rangi Chase, Gareth Widdop, Richie Myler etc, he is not as good at loose forward as Sean O'Loughlin and Sam Burgess. All these players should be starting ahead of Sinfield and if it's only his kicking keeping him in the team then that is wrong.



#33 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 08:54 AM

How did Sinfield ever make the grade as a pro player with poor distribution skills,no pace or vision and a terrible kicking game?


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#34 christopher

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 09:07 AM

His tactical kicking against Wigan was awful, no where near as good as Matty Smiths. I would also challenge it isn't as good as Widdops.

A player should not be picked on how good his kicking is either, it should be how good a player he is inclusive of kicking. He is not as good at hooker as Roby, he is not as good at half back as Matty Smith, Rangi Chase, Gareth Widdop, Richie Myler etc, he is not as good at loose forward as Sean O'Loughlin and Sam Burgess. All these players should be starting ahead of Sinfield and if it's only his kicking keeping him in the team then that is wrong.

Your basing Sinfields game on one playoff game where his team were beaten all over the park, what about last years playoffs where he was outstanding in every single one of them?

He does one thing better than all of the players you mention and that is lead the team and organise, look how the team practically fell apart against the exiles when he went off injured.

We get it you don't rate him but don't make stuff up to try prove your point.

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#35 christopher

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 09:10 AM

How did Sinfield ever make the grade as a pro player with poor distribution skills,no pace or vision and a terrible kicking game?


Obviously he's just lucky as he was when he's won and captained a team to 6 grand finals, won the HS trophy in two of them won the lance Todd trophy, golden boot, WCC etc etc, all pure luck.

#36 7723

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 09:11 AM

Your basing Sinfields game on one playoff game where his team were beaten all over the park, what about last years playoffs where he was outstanding in every single one of them?

He does one thing better than all of the players you mention and that is lead the team and organise, look how the team practically fell apart against the exiles when he went off injured.

We get it you don't rate him but don't make stuff up to try prove your point.

 

 

I haven't made anything up. Played off the park by Matty Smith in a high pressure game. Fact.

 

Isn't as good as good as all the players I mentioned in there positions. Fact.

 

You could easily find another captain to lead and organise the team.

 

You really do love him don't you!!



#37 Bomballey

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 09:12 AM

When it comes to goal kicking and tactical kicking, all of them.


Straws, clutching, at.

He does the ordinary things consistently quite well. No more than that.

#38 christopher

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 09:16 AM

I haven't made anything up. Played off the park by Matty Smith in a high pressure game. Fact.

Isn't as good as good as all the players I mentioned in there positions. Fact.

You could easily find another captain to lead and organise the team.

You really do love him don't you!!


Your first point is a fact (although I didn't realise England selection was based on one game) the second is subjective and not a fact, you writing it doesn't make it so I'm afraid.

You really don't like him do you?

#39 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 09:18 AM

I haven't made anything up. Played off the park by Matty Smith in a high pressure game. Fact.

 

Isn't as good as good as all the players I mentioned in there positions. Fact.

 

You could easily find another captain to lead and organise the team.

 

You really do love him don't you!!

So your selection criteria is based on one game.

Opinion,not fact.


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#40 GaryO

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 09:19 AM

How did Sinfield ever make the grade as a pro player with poor distribution skills,no pace or vision and a terrible kicking game?

C'mon Terry, no one has said that he isn't a super league player that isn't worth is salt in any team you could name, it his selection in the International team, let alone the jack of all trades he is purported to be, don't forget that we who are criticising his inclusion have observed him in many many matches over the years - curtesy of TV - we are not watching our own and favoured players we are taking an abject view of his skills/performances as you know doubt do yourself when watching games and players other than the ones Leeds are involved in. 


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