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double standards in the education system


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#1 bedlam breakout

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:26 PM

a friend of mine took his kids away in school time for 4 days which resulted in snoopers going through his bins and issuing him with a fine, all seems a bit pointless when teachers go on strike willy nilly depriving kids of a days school and inconveniencing parents, do the teachers get fined in this case? think not.


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#2 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:36 PM

Hardly double standards,parents know when school holidays are.That's the point of them.


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#3 distantdog

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:50 PM

a friend of mine took his kids away in school time for 4 days which resulted in snoopers going through his bins and issuing him with a fine, all seems a bit pointless when teachers go on strike willy nilly depriving kids of a days school and inconveniencing parents, do the teachers get fined in this case? think not.

 

You should be red top journo with simplistic one dimensional comments like that!

 

It is a parent's legal obligation to ensure their children attend school. It is a teacher's right to strike if they feel that they have a grievance, as has been the case, and indeed is, for many other sectors of society.

 

Your comment would have had much more validity if it had questioned the effectiveness of striking.

 

If you want to discuss double standards in the education system, why not discuss the governments different approach to free and academy schools as compared to LA schools.

 

And just for the record, teachers give up a full days pay when they strike.



#4 archibald

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:20 PM

It is a parent's legal obligation to ensure their children attend school.

How can they fulfill their legal obligation if the doors are locked?



#5 Maximus Decimus

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:44 PM

What do 'teachers' have to do with fining children for going on holiday? It doesn't bother me one jot if a child goes on holiday in school time.

 

Surely this is far more to do with the government, especially as they recently changed the law so that holidays cannot be authorised any more. Also, when Ofsted come in schools are assessed on the attendance of their children. If the headteachers do not tackle attendance then the school's rating can be affected. My own school was criticised by Ofsted for not doing enough to guarantee that some children attend and a big part of this is children being taken out for holidays. What are schools to do? Let everybody be off when they like and just take the hit in the Ofsted report?



#6 distantdog

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:57 PM

How can they fulfill their legal obligation if the doors are locked?


If the school is closed for whatever reason then there is no legal obligation for parents to ensure their children attend school. I am not sure what your point is here.

#7 JohnM

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:15 PM

Two different issues. Two wrongs don't make a right. Not all teachers were on strike and not all schools were closed.

#8 archibald

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:25 PM

If the school is closed for whatever reason then there is no legal obligation for parents to ensure their children attend school. I am not sure what your point is here.

Ah, so they're only legally obliged when the teachers can be arsed and haven't spat their dummy.



#9 Bostik Bailey

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:34 PM

Ah, so they're only legally obliged when the teachers can be arsed and haven't spat their dummy.


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#10 archibald

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 10:06 PM

Why don't you give them yours

My what?



#11 Wolford6

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 10:40 PM

Fining parents who take their kids on holiday in term time is a tax on the middle classes. Kids from sink estate, gypsy and ethnic communities regularly disappear for weeks and the schools don't do anything about it.


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#12 distantdog

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 07:08 AM

Ah, so they're only legally obliged when the teachers can be arsed and haven't spat their dummy.

 

Yes!



#13 Larry the Leit

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 07:25 AM

Fining parents who take their kids on holiday in term time is a tax on the middle classes. Kids from sink estate, gypsy and ethnic communities regularly disappear for weeks and the schools don't do anything about it.

 

I don't suppose that you can link to any stats on this can you?


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#14 Trojan

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 07:26 AM

It always puzzles me why when workers go on strike they are automatically assumed to be in the wrong. But they are selling their labour and the employer is the buyer of that labour. If you try and buy a product and don't offer enough money for it the supplier will not sell it to you, that's simple commerce. Where's the difference?

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#15 Johnoco

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 07:26 AM

Fining parents who take their kids on holiday in term time is a tax on the middle classes. Kids from sink estate, gypsy and ethnic communities regularly disappear for weeks and the schools don't do anything about it.

In my experience this is pretty true. A few years back I saw a cheap holiday in October and enquired about the possibility of my (at the time) 15 year old lad be excused from 2 days at school. I was flatly refused and warned that should he be absent on those dates, there would be consequences. Like a dipstick I followed the advice.
I discovered that one of his schoolmates was constantly missing school for various reasons (non serious) and asked him what had happened to his parents, he laughed about it.

When I enquired why this person was apparently allowed to have time off, I was told it was because he had 'ongoing issues'. I asked if they were being fined the amount I had been threatened with and was told 'there's no point as they couldn't afford to pay'. Which was nice.

#16 Larry the Leit

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 07:36 AM

When I enquired why this person was apparently allowed to have time off, I was told it was because he had 'ongoing issues'. I asked if they were being fined the amount I had been threatened with and was told 'there's no point as they couldn't afford to pay'. Which was nice.

 

The correct answer would of course have been "mind your own business".


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#17 Wolford6

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 07:42 AM

I don't suppose that you can link to any stats on this can you?

 

 

http://www.thetelegr...dings_scandal_/

 

http://www.thetelegr...plinary_action/


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#18 Johnoco

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 07:45 AM

The correct answer would of course have been "mind your own business".

How so? Surely it's one rule for all? Besides, I was making the point and didn't really want to know what they get up to.
Either have a rule saying 'nobody is allowed out of school during term time' or don't.

#19 distantdog

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 07:45 AM

I have yet to actually meet anyone who has received a fine for taking one day off. The system is that families who have a pattern of absence go onto a period, usually a month, of monitoring. If they fail this period, the LA then take over the process of monitoring and make the ultimate decision on whether to fine.

 

Schools have no legal right to impose punative fines for absence, unless the process is part of any home/school agreement to which the parents have signed.



#20 Larry the Leit

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 08:06 AM

How so? Surely it's one rule for all? Besides, I was making the point and didn't really want to know what they get up to.
Either have a rule saying 'nobody is allowed out of school during term time' or don't.

 

I wouldn't expect any details of my children's lives in or our of school discussed with other parents.  It's not a difficult concept, much like I wouldn't expect your doctor to tell me about anything about you if I were to ask him/her.


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