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#61 JohnM

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 10:42 PM

The management committee overlooks the business plan we formulate and is directly answerable to the supreme power in the organisation which is the quaterly general meeting of the members. MC members can only serve on the MC for 2 years maximum.

 

It meets once a week on Tuesday mornings. during the rest of the week Mc members (there are 6 of them) are variously, drivers, warehouse workers etc etc

 

 

 

don't know, but at a guess, suggesting to shareholders that they hand their businesses over to the workforce would go down like a lead balloon. Or meet a similiar response to the one above, If you're ever in Elland come along and I'll show you around.

 

 If you're ever in Elland come along and I'll show you around.

 

Might do that, you never know. Sister in law works in Elland.

 

a number of questions after having had a look at your web site

 

1. is it that in your line of business you are able to sell at a good margin owing to the demographic of your customers?

2. Whilst it is true that shareholder might not want to hand over their businesses, what is to stop people setting up their own coop businesses from scratch.

3. What if your chosen business was capital intensive?  For example, you might need a  £1/4 million machining centre. The decision on what to buy etc is highly specialist as is the business case and the financing.



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Posted 01 November 2013 - 09:56 AM

 If you're ever in Elland come along and I'll show you around.

 

Might do that, you never know. Sister in law works in Elland.

 

a number of questions after having had a look at your web site

 

1. is it that in your line of business you are able to sell at a good margin owing to the demographic of your customers?

2. Whilst it is true that shareholder might not want to hand over their businesses, what is to stop people setting up their own coop businesses from scratch.

3. What if your chosen business was capital intensive?  For example, you might need a  £1/4 million machining centre. The decision on what to buy etc is highly specialist as is the business case and the financing.

 

Our customer base stretches across individuals who for whatever reason don't want to deal with high street shops and who, as long as they meet the minimum order requirement can then buy at wholesale prices, to multi-nationals such as Amazon. We don't deal with the major supermarkets, we're not in the business of being told "from now one you'll give us x% discount and 120 days credit" Margin obviously depends on the deal set up with various customers but we're canny and contrary to any idea Archibald may have we're realists, this is our business and we're good at running it.

 

absolutely no reason why worker-co-ops can't be set up, co-ops Uk has a team who advise and assist co-ops with all sorts of stuff ranging from grants through to employment law.

 

At the moment we're looking at buying into our supply chain just the scenario you've mentioned, we're realists, not utopians, we know we have to deal with banks and finance houses, we're very solvent and have a good relationship with our bank who have indicated that finance would not be a problem.

 

We're also very clever!!! We encourage all workers to train and develop their skills both internally and externally by attending various courses and gaining qualifications relevant to their roles.


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#63 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 10:04 AM

One of my faveorite stores in America is a Co-op.

 

REI

 

One, if not the biggest outdoors retailers in the world.


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:39 AM

Looks like the Grangemouth and Falkirk stories refuse to die...

 

If some of the allegations are true a number of people will have to resign. 


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#65 Methven Hornet

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 05:19 AM

Looks like the Grangemouth and Falkirk stories refuse to die...

 

If some of the allegations are true a number of people will have to resign. 

 

If some of the allegations are true there may be more than just resignations.


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#66 Larry the Leit

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 03:25 PM

This is a constant frustration for those of us that are left leaning in our politics.  People with similar political outlooks behaving in the exact opposite way to their principles.



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Posted 04 November 2013 - 07:14 PM

The latest, taken from our trade paper (only in the actual paper, the web link doesn't have this) is that the 500+ who voted for strike/against the companies initial proposals will be sacked and employed again on worse terms than those who voted for the reforms. Apparently the terms will be in the companies pension contributions, those voting for the reforms will get 11% and those who voted against, 9%.



#68 Methven Hornet

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 07:49 PM

The latest, taken from our trade paper (only in the actual paper, the web link doesn't have this) is that the 500+ who voted for strike/against the companies initial proposals will be sacked and employed again on worse terms than those who voted for the reforms. Apparently the terms will be in the companies pension contributions, those voting for the reforms will get 11% and those who voted against, 9%.

 

What is the title of the trade paper?


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#69 Northern Sol

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 07:54 PM

Our customer base stretches across individuals who for whatever reason don't want to deal with high street shops and who, as long as they meet the minimum order requirement can then buy at wholesale prices, to multi-nationals such as Amazon. We don't deal with the major supermarkets, we're not in the business of being told "from now one you'll give us x% discount and 120 days credit" Margin obviously depends on the deal set up with various customers but we're canny and contrary to any idea Archibald may have we're realists, this is our business and we're good at running it.
 
absolutely no reason why worker-co-ops can't be set up, co-ops Uk has a team who advise and assist co-ops with all sorts of stuff ranging from grants through to employment law.
 
At the moment we're looking at buying into our supply chain just the scenario you've mentioned, we're realists, not utopians, we know we have to deal with banks and finance houses, we're very solvent and have a good relationship with our bank who have indicated that finance would not be a problem.
 
We're also very clever!!! We encourage all workers to train and develop their skills both internally and externally by attending various courses and gaining qualifications relevant to their roles.


Good luck to you but I can't see how a small distribution company is proof that there is another model that all firms small or large, in any industry could follow.

Co-operatives exist but they tend to exist only in certain markets.

Edited by Northern Sol, 04 November 2013 - 07:55 PM.


#70 Northern Sol

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 07:56 PM

The latest, taken from our trade paper (only in the actual paper, the web link doesn't have this) is that the 500+ who voted for strike/against the companies initial proposals will be sacked and employed again on worse terms than those who voted for the reforms. Apparently the terms will be in the companies pension contributions, those voting for the reforms will get 11% and those who voted against, 9%.


Scaremongering.

The company has no way of knowing who voted which way in a secret ballot held by a trade union.

#71 archibald

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 08:22 PM

What is the title of the trade paper?

PRW (Plastics and Rubber Weekly)



#72 archibald

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 08:28 PM

Scaremongering.

The company has no way of knowing who voted which way in a secret ballot held by a trade union.

 

This is the exact quote from the story.

"Although the dispute has been settled, staff/management relations look likely to continue to be frosty following news that employees who rejected the pension shakeup will receive a smaller settlement than those who signed up to the survival plan. The 665 workers who initially rejected the Ineos proposal will be sacked and rehired as new employees. They will receive a company pension contribution of 9% - those that backed the plan will get 11%".

I don't think the union ballot will come into it, I'm guessing the company issued new terms to be signed either agreeing or rejecting the proposals and took the numbers from that.


Edited by archibald, 04 November 2013 - 08:28 PM.


#73 JohnM

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 08:39 PM

Good luck to you but I can't see how a small distribution company is proof that there is another model that all firms small or large, in any industry could follow.

Co-operatives exist but they tend to exist only in certain markets.

 

MONDRAGON Corporation is the embodiment of the co-operative movement that began in 1956, the year that witnessed the creation of the first industrial cooperative in Mondragón in the province of Gipuzkoa; 

 

see http://www.mondragon.../en-US/ENG.aspx

 

Phil and I are probably at opposite ends of the political spectrum but in my world as well as his there is room for  a wide range of business models and it has been interesting to look into this approach if only on the Internet.


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#74 Methven Hornet

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 06:57 AM

This is the exact quote from the story.

I don't think the union ballot will come into it, I'm guessing the company issued new terms to be signed either agreeing or rejecting the proposals and took the numbers from that.

 

That is exactly what happened.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 06:58 AM

PRW (Plastics and Rubber Weekly)

 

Woah! ;)


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#76 Larry the Leit

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 07:49 AM

That is exactly what happened.

 

Nice.  That's got to be worth a legal challenge has it not?






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