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#21 Railway End

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:18 PM

I'm no fan of McNamara but he has taken the correct course of action to nip in the bud the poor attitude shown by some of the players.  

 

The message is loud and clear, "If you can't operate in a professional environment then you will not represent your country.  I doesn't matter who you are or what you think your standing in the game is - your gone".

 

Now let's put all this mess behind us and play and operate as a team, it's the only chance we have of beating the Aussies and Kiwi's.


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#22 bobbruce

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:43 PM

I'm no fan of McNamara but he has taken the correct course of action to nip in the bud the poor attitude shown by some of the players.

The message is loud and clear, "If you can't operate in a professional environment then you will not represent your country. I doesn't matter who you are or what you think your standing in the game is - your gone".

Now let's put all this mess behind us and play and operate as a team, it's the only chance we have of beating the Aussies and Kiwi's.


I hope the players involved are embarrassed. As pro players representing their country in the pinnacle of their sport and they couldn't go a couple of weeks without going on the lash.

#23 The Big Gun

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:47 PM

I think some people are seriously underrating Graham here. He's one of the world's best props and will be a big miss for us. I think Tom Burgess should be able to do a reasonable job, but he's certainly a level or two below Jammer.



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:54 PM

Why hasn't this strong Disciplinery message been hammered home at some point in the last 3 years! I'm not blaming McNamara for everything but he's been in charge long enough to have stamped hs authority on the squad. The fact that he hasn't has lead to breaches of discipline during the actual tournament that he's been building for for 3 years and as such has undermined our chances.

#25 GeordieSaint

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:06 PM

Why hasn't this strong Disciplinery message been hammered home at some point in the last 3 years! I'm not blaming McNamara for everything but he's been in charge long enough to have stamped hs authority on the squad. The fact that he hasn't has lead to breaches of discipline during the actual tournament that he's been building for for 3 years and as such has undermined our chances.

 

How do you know he hasn't? Maybe the players are just thick...


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#26 Daltoni

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:10 PM

I think some people are seriously underrating Graham here. He's one of the world's best props and will be a big miss for us. I think Tom Burgess should be able to do a reasonable job, but he's certainly a level or two below Jammer.

Completely agree, after Tompkins and Sam Burgess he was my next definite in the starting 13. Canterbury player of the year, one of the best performing props in the NRL, respected or at least highly regarded by all in the Aus squad (apart from Slater perhaps he he) and bags of experience which is what this England squad lacks. He will be massively missed and his absents is a real dent to our chances of an upset. He's so passionate when he plays and can lift any team with a good carry, IMO there is no replacement prop who can fill his boots.



#27 Southerner

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:15 PM

James Graham is a pretty good player, but I'm not panicking over his ommission. Every time I've seen him play he looks as if he's running through wet cement in the latter stages.

I agree, I think he huffs and puffs too much without making large yards. I've not been overly impressed with his international performances, however someone's bound to tell me how good he's been in NRL this season? What worries me is we don't seem to have a better replacement.

* Oops, just seen above, didn't realise he was bulldogs player of the season. He'll probably be back for other two matches determined to make a statement hopefully. Rather than sulking.

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#28 Daltoni

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:23 PM

I agree, I think he huffs and puffs too much without making large yards. I've not been overly impressed with his international performances, however someone's bound to tell me how good he's been in NRL this season? What worries me is we don't seem to have a better replacement.

* Oops, just seen above, didn't realise he was bulldogs player of the season. He'll probably be back for other two matches determined to make a statement hopefully. Rather than sulking.

http://www.bulldogs....-the-Year/85773

 

you made me have to double check though!  ;)



#29 bedlam breakout

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:44 PM

we had a huge health and safety dressing down today at work -200 guys pretending to respect one #####, the result was everyone walked away miserable, not wanting to do the job, team morale gone just waiting for the hooter---- the biggest ones to suffer this drinking thing will be the fans as usual, -the whole team can take to the field drunk as for me as long as they win I don't care


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#30 Exiled Wiganer

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:00 PM

I think McNamara was lucky he was dealing with this group of individuals, as we can reasonably cover for all of them, while making it clear reputations won't he enough to guarantee selection and asserting his authority. If the drinkers had been Hall, Sams T And B, Roby and Josh, we'd be in deep trouble.
Hill and Mossop are wonderful players. They can give us 60 hard, efficient minutes and Hill can offload very well. That leaves 40 minutes between 2 Burgesses. I am sure they can get through that.
In a way I hope the 17 picked seize their chance and the group that wanted to go on the lash rather than prepare reflect in their blazers at Old Trafford.
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#31 jacksy

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:15 PM

"I am playing all the right players but not  necessarily in the right positions." ;)

 

tee hee very good Eric


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#32 Scubby

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:18 PM

we had a huge health and safety dressing down today at work -200 guys pretending to respect one #####, the result was everyone walked away miserable, not wanting to do the job, team morale gone just waiting for the hooter---- the biggest ones to suffer this drinking thing will be the fans as usual, -the whole team can take to the field drunk as for me as long as they win I don't care

 

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#33 bedlam breakout

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:22 PM

Great analysis and good example :locomotive: Really

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#34 Simmo

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:26 PM

Stupid decision to leave Graham out. Simple fact, we need our best players out on the park.

 

I can see it now, battered by Australia, fail to make the final, and overall losers again.

 

Worry not, we can all then sit back and say, "But Steve Mac showed them who was boss"

 

Graham is a super player, and the Australians must be sat in their hotel peeing in their tracksuits laughing at us.



#35 dkw

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:59 PM

and the Australians must be sat in their hotel peeing in their tracksuits laughing at us.


And not out drinking when they aren't supposed to be, or missing training sessions. That, more than anything McNamara is doing, is why they will continue to beat us.

#36 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:07 PM

Stupid decision to leave Graham out. Simple fact, we need our best players out on the park.

 

I can see it now, battered by Australia, fail to make the final, and overall losers again.

 

Worry not, we can all then sit back and say, "But Steve Mac showed them who was boss"

 

Graham is a super player, and the Australians must be sat in their hotel peeing in their tracksuits laughing at us.

So ill discipline should be part of a team environment.A similar thing happened when Tony Smith was in charge of the England set up and look what happened there.At least Mcnamara has got one thing right.Poor discipline isn't tolerated,no matter who the player is.


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#37 Railway End

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:08 PM

Stupid decision to leave Graham out. Simple fact, we need our best players out on the park.

 

I can see it now, battered by Australia, fail to make the final, and overall losers again.

 

Worry not, we can all then sit back and say, "But Steve Mac showed them who was boss"

 

Graham is a super player, and the Australians must be sat in their hotel peeing in their tracksuits laughing at us.

 

I don't think it is a case of McNamara showing them who is boss, more likely McNamara and the senior playing group.

 

The players had been told not to go on the drink.  The majority of players were professional, respecting their coach, each other and the aspirations of their country. Five of the squad showed no respect to what their team mates thought or how their actions would affect what the team is hoping to achieve.  

 

If I was a player missing out on an England shirt behind someone who had blatantly broken team rules, I'd be less than impressed.  This course of action had to be taken IMO.


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#38 Simmo

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:38 PM

And not out drinking when they aren't supposed to be, or missing training sessions. That, more than anything McNamara is doing, is why they will continue to beat us.

OK good. So by your reckoning we should beat them this time.

 

I'm looking forward to it.



#39 THE RED ROOSTER

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:44 PM

Without James Graham will England's forwards lack bite...


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#40 my missus

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 08:14 PM

I hope mcbanana isn't setting up his excuses :(


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