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#21 Griff

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 04:09 PM

The opposite of bobbins is bazzing, in case you wanted to know.

 

"that's not bobbins, that's bazzing"

 

Thanks - but I didn't. :tongue:


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 04:38 PM

The opposite of bobbins is bazzing, in case you wanted to know.

 

"that's not bobbins, that's bazzing"

 

Not so.

 

Bobbins is rhyming slang. Bobbins of cotton=rotten. The opposite would be 'good' or 'fresh'.

 

Bazzing sounds like a made up word of recent origin.


 

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#23 gingerjon

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 04:42 PM

Not so.

 

Bobbins is rhyming slang. Bobbins of cotton=rotten. The opposite would be 'good' or 'fresh'.

 

Bazzing sounds like a made up word of recent origin.

 

I'm glad we've moved onto important topics.

 

And, for once, the gentleman from Featherstone is correct.


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#24 marklaspalmas

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 04:45 PM

I'm glad we've moved onto important topics.

 

And, for once, the gentleman from Featherstone is correct.

 

Four years in Putney didn't go entirely to waste then.

 

 

 

 

FWIW I think the OP, if not a troll, has an odd fixation with obscure ideas for tweaking the laws of the game.


 

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#25 YCKonstantine

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 05:02 PM

Four years in Putney didn't go entirely to waste then.




FWIW I think the OP, if not a troll, has an odd fixation with obscure ideas for tweaking the laws of the game.

He's the TotalRL version of Yuvalal off the World of Warcraft forums. GEEKY, I know I know. His English was awful, so at least this guys better for that. He was always coming up with ridiculous expansion ideas that were just well, ridiculous. I once met him ingame, he didn't understand my sarcasm, bless him. <3 YUVALAL RLFC

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#26 gingerjon

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 05:57 PM

 

FWIW I think the OP, if not a troll, has an odd fixation with obscure ideas for tweaking the laws of the game.

 

He'd go well at Red Hall where there's a current odd fixation for obscure ideas for tweaking the league structure of the game.


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#27 sigesige00

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 10:49 AM

Rugby union needs so many subs because of modern scrums being dangerous. Essentially you must have specialist props and hookers because in the modern era, it is not considered safe to ask a non-specialist to cover those positions if the original player is injured. Broken spines just aren't funny.

Modern rugby league doesn't have competitive scrums and thus scrums are not dangerous and therefore there is no need to have specialists props and hookers on the bench.

A specialist kicker would be anathema. The kicker position in American football is rightly considered a joke in the UK.

 

Thank you for your explanation.  I am for abolition of scrums, both in RU and RL.

RU's scrums are too dangerous, time-consuming, creating too many fouls which are difficult to judge.

RU's scrums should be changed:

 

In the case of fouls (throw-forward, knock-on, etc.), FK.

In the case of 5m scrum (like carry-back), the opponent side can choose 1 point or 5m FK.

 

In RL, scrums should be replaced by play-the-ball, because there is no significance in RL's scrums.



#28 sigesige00

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 10:53 AM

And, if there is still limitation of substitutions, there should be Volleyball's Libero like system.  In Volleyball, using Libero is unlimited.  There would be interesting a place-kicker, like Libero.



#29 Griff

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 10:55 AM

Not so.

 

Bobbins is rhyming slang. Bobbins of cotton=rotten. The opposite would be 'good' or 'fresh'.

 

Bazzing sounds like a made up word of recent origin.

 

So bobbins is actually a Cockney expression.  Not Lancashire at all.


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#30 Griff

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 10:57 AM

And, if there is still limitation of substitutions, there should be Volleyball's Libero like system.  In Volleyball, using Libero is unlimited.  There would be interesting a place-kicker, like Libero.

 

Bottom line is we can't afford to pay more players.


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#31 scrape_goose

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 11:15 AM

And, if there is still limitation of substitutions, there should be Volleyball's Libero like system.  In Volleyball, using Libero is unlimited.  There would be interesting a place-kicker, like Libero.

 

I don't see the obsession with a dedicated place kicker. Designated kickers are already very acomplished kickers and also good rugby players, why create a position that isn't needed then change the rules of the game to accomodate this new position. Unlimited subs will take away a lot of aspects of the game. As it is a coach has 4 subs, it' sup to the coach to get the balance of his bench right and the use of his interchanges correct. It's part and parcel of the tactics of the game.

 

The scrum in RL although uncontested does if used effectively offer an advantage to the attacking side as the forwards are all tied up in the scrum so a fast ball out of the scrum provides room for the backs to run and gain easy yards.



#32 Griff

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 11:18 AM

What's not clear is - can the designated kicker only kick ?  Or can he play the rest of the game ?

 

What if your best kicker isn't actually a bad player ?  It all becomes a nonsense.


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#33 sigesige00

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 11:27 AM

I don't see the obsession with a dedicated place kicker. Designated kickers are already very acomplished kickers and also good rugby players, why create a position that isn't needed then change the rules of the game to accomodate this new position. Unlimited subs will take away a lot of aspects of the game. As it is a coach has 4 subs, it' sup to the coach to get the balance of his bench right and the use of his interchanges correct. It's part and parcel of the tactics of the game.

 

The scrum in RL although uncontested does if used effectively offer an advantage to the attacking side as the forwards are all tied up in the scrum so a fast ball out of the scrum provides room for the backs to run and gain easy yards.

 

Many say that "unlimited subs will take away a lot of aspects of the game".  OK, maybe so.  But it might make different interesting games.

And kicker, like Volleyball's Libero, is not a required position.  Teams can play without specialist place-kicker.

By the way, if there is a specialist-kicker position in both RL and RU, one player can play both in the same season!



#34 sigesige00

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 11:30 AM

What's not clear is - can the designated kicker only kick ?  Or can he play the rest of the game ?

 

What if your best kicker isn't actually a bad player ?  It all becomes a nonsense.

That is debatable.  In Volleyball, Libero can play as only defensive player who cannot do back-attack.



#35 marklaspalmas

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 11:30 AM

So bobbins is actually a Cockney expression.  Not Lancashire at all.

 

Possibly. Im not sure the cockneys have exclusive rights to rhyming slang, but of course they invented it/turned it into an art-form.


 

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#36 YCKonstantine

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 02:16 PM

It seems you are coming up with a 'solution' for a problem that doesn't exist. If it aint broke..


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#37 Northern Sol

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 06:17 PM

I don't see the obsession with a dedicated place kicker. Designated kickers are already very acomplished kickers and also good rugby players, why create a position that isn't needed then change the rules of the game to accomodate this new position. Unlimited subs will take away a lot of aspects of the game. As it is a coach has 4 subs, it' sup to the coach to get the balance of his bench right and the use of his interchanges correct. It's part and parcel of the tactics of the game.
 
The scrum in RL although uncontested does if used effectively offer an advantage to the attacking side as the forwards are all tied up in the scrum so a fast ball out of the scrum provides room for the backs to run and gain easy yards.


Billy Slater provided an excellent example at the end of the first half against England. It's unlikely that there would have been quite so much space if it hadn't been from a scrum.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 02:05 PM

Billy Slater provided an excellent example at the end of the first half against England. It's unlikely that there would have been quite so much space if it hadn't been from a scrum.

I'm sure Clarkey has already mentioned it at some point during his half time borefests but it would be mildly interesting to see how many yards are gained in the play following a scrum compared to average play and how many try's are scored direct from the scrum. Perhaps.

 

But yes a good example, scrums create room for the backs.






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