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#1 superten

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 10:30 AM

The Cook islands start there world cup tonight to me this is the slide rule team we need to measure if we are wanting to expand the world cup to sixteen team format. This is because according to the rugby league international rankings Cook Islands are the lowest rank team in the finals. According to international rankings they are ranked 18th in the world which means of course that on paper some better and higher ranked teams have not made it to this years world cup. Russia ranked 14th , Serbia ranked 15th , Canada ranked 16th and Lebanon ranked 17th have all missed out. So if Cook Islands make a strong showing may be we could look at a 16 team world cup next time . 


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#2 West Country Eagle

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 10:36 AM

Part of the issue with the rankings comes down to who plays. Often their matches feature players from the Domestic competition in the Cook Islands, presumably due to availability of NRL and SL players. I was chatting to the CIRL president, Charles, the other night and we discussed this. I think he said that for most of the Pacific Cup games it's just domestic players, who he said they can't bring to the World Cup as they would just not be able to compete. The best players over there end up in New Zealand and Australia, where they can play a higher standard (even if it's reserve grade).

What we need is proper gaps in the season and the NRL/SL clubs to see how important international competition is for the game at large.
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#3 superten

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 10:42 AM

I agree would love a European cup in the summer months a four week break . If super league went down to 12 teams playing just 23 rounds this could be done.


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#4 Northern Sol

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 10:46 AM

I'm expecting Cooks to win lowest ranked or not. You have to bear in mind that ratings are always somewhat artificial FIFA used to claim for years that the US was the fourth best soccer team in the world. Americans actually believed this. In fact they were no better than Belgium and earned lots of points from playing crappy opposition.

With RL, the problem is infrequent internationals and a huge difference in standards between teams based on domestic players and those same teams when the NRL / SL stars are available.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 10:48 AM

I agree would love a European cup in the summer months a four week break . If super league went down to 12 teams playing just 23 rounds this could be done.


Italy, Scotland etc are only going to be competitive if the NRL co-operates (and they have no reason to do so).

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 11:52 AM

The top 32 countries in the rankings don't qualify for the soccer World Cup.

 

Nobody complains or sees it as odd in any way.

 

Summat else to moan about ?


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#7 Northern Sol

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 12:26 PM

The top 32 countries in the rankings don't qualify for the soccer World Cup.


No, but they are the basis of seeding.
 

Nobody complains or sees it as odd in any way.

 
They do. FIFA ratings are considered beyond a joke.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 12:58 PM

No, but they are the basis of seeding.
 
 
They do. FIFA ratings are considered beyond a joke.

 

Basis of seeding is a different issue - once you're into seeding, you're immediately making subjective judgements.

 

Joke ?  Exactly - decide these things on the field.  Alternatively, we could have a licensing procedure .................. :ph34r:


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#9 Northern Sol

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 01:07 PM

Basis of seeding is a different issue - once you're into seeding, you're immediately making subjective judgements.
 
Joke ?  Exactly - decide these things on the field.  Alternatively, we could have a licensing procedure .................. :ph34r:


In a sense they are decided on the field since the ratings are based on games played. Obviously proper qualifiers would be preferable but we have issues with getting games played.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 06:07 PM

I prefer head to head games.

 

In a sense.


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#11 Scubby

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 06:09 PM

Either Sweden (25th) or Portugal (14th) will make the FIFA world cup finals next year but not both.



#12 goldcoaster

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 07:19 PM

On the Cooks, they are the only other nation besides PNG where Rugby League is the no.1 sport
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Posted 30 October 2013 - 07:38 PM

On the Cooks, they are the only other nation besides PNG where Rugby League is the no.1 sport

Didn't know that! Marvellous!


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 10:39 PM

On the Cooks, they are the only other nation besides PNG where Rugby League is the no.1 sport

 

Not completely convinced about this as there seemed to be a genuinely strong presence of both codes when I stayed on Rarotonga.

It was interesting to speak to the person who owned the place we stayed in (he more was Union though) - "was chatting to Tony Iro's dad the other day". It's a small snugg place - gorgeous little island. :)



#15 Aucks Warriors

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 11:01 PM

Union, rugby league and football are all strong on the Island but union and football have more participants and teams through out. League is mainly based in the capital (Rarotonga) with Pukapuka the only team from the outer islands.



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 11:31 PM

Union, rugby league and football are all strong on the Island but union and football have more participants and teams through out. League is mainly based in the capital (Rarotonga) with Pukapuka the only team from the outer islands.

 

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 12:13 AM

the cooks got to the final of the 2009 pacific cup,1 win away from the 2010 4 nations...


so they are capable..

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#18 superten

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 09:53 AM

the rankings don't seem to be to far off. Of the seven matches played to date five have been won be the team ranked highest.  Of the other two only Italy a real shock as they are ranked 13th while wales are ranked fifth. Scotland are the other lower rank team to win but are only one ranking place lower than Tonga and with the conditions  it could have made it a leveller and the game could have gone either way .


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Posted 31 October 2013 - 09:28 PM

Next RLWC in the Cook Islands- with break out matches in Fiji, Samoa and Tonga.

 

Stadiums won't be like Old Trafford but look at it like this- pre match beer on the beach- Cook Islands or the Irish Sea at Workington (only joking the Cumbrians turning out in force in the rain was majestic)



#20 RLRatings

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 09:05 PM

Some rankings are better than others!

 

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1 Australia 2241 - 2 New Zealand 1897 - 3 England 1801 - 4 Papua New Guinea 1362 +2 5 Fiji 1338 - 6 Tonga 1311 -2 7 France 1309 - 8 Samoa 1264 +1 9 Wales 1208 -2 10 Cook Islands 1179 - 11 Scotland 1087 +1 12 Ireland 1045 -1 13 Lebanon 1024   14 Italy 742 - 15 Niue 620   16 USA 599 +1 17 Russia 578 -1 18 Serbia 287   19 Malta 242   20 Canada 214   21 Germany 199   22 Greece 194 +1 23 South Africa 164 -1 24 Netherlands 138   25 Norway 135   26 Ukraine 121   27 Denmark 102   28 Portugal 98   29 Czech Republic 97   30 Jamaica 89   31 Latvia 85   32 Japan 80   33 Catalonia 59   34 Sweden 58   35 Morocco 45   36 Vanuatu 42   37 Belgium 38   38 Estonia 34   39 Phillipines 29   40 Pakistan 22   41 Thailand 22   42 Hungary 21 - 43 UAE 13   44 Solomon Islands 11  
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