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#1 Bearman

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 09:37 AM

With the closure of the new build shipyard the Government ( and opposition) have gambled that this will buy Scottish votes to prevent the Scots going it alone.
The Scottish Nationalists have already issued a statement that a fully independent Scotland could continue to build ships for the RN.
The Portsmouth workers who had been told by BAE that they were the most cost effective option have been thrown out of work to pander to political dogma.
Plus ca Change?

Edited by bearman, 07 November 2013 - 09:38 AM.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 11:01 AM

Not sure it's as convenient as a political decision. Nick Robinson was reporting that the scots were cheaper. Sad fact is we don't need 3 shipyards for the number of ships we build.

Portsmouth yard shut in 1960's and only reopened 10 years ago, so I think some of the 'death of shipbuilding' etc reporting is a bit OTT.

That said, awful time of year to shut anything.
With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#3 markleeds

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 11:01 AM

If Scotland so have independence they should pay a huge levy to have your military at our disposal.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 11:28 AM

With the closure of the new build shipyard the Government ( and opposition) have gambled that this will buy Scottish votes to prevent the Scots going it alone.
The Scottish Nationalists have already issued a statement that a fully independent Scotland could continue to build ships for the RN.
The Portsmouth workers who had been told by BAE that they were the most cost effective option have been thrown out of work to pander to political dogma.
Plus ca Change?

certainly looks that way


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#5 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 11:35 AM

Not sure it's as convenient as a political decision. Nick Robinson was reporting that the scots were cheaper. Sad fact is we don't need 3 shipyards for the number of ships we build.

Portsmouth yard shut in 1960's and only reopened 10 years ago, so I think some of the 'death of shipbuilding' etc reporting is a bit OTT.

That said, awful time of year to shut anything.

yes

 

what is odd is the decision to build three new ocean patrol vessels.

The river class, which they are supposed to replace are relatively new fit for purose ships.

 

These ships are probably the cheapest ocean going warships to build, crew and maintain.

By building these arguably not needed replacements-there is an argument that they should be augmenting the river class rather than replacing them. However by scrapping the river class and replacing them, the surviving yard gets to continue to build warships, but at minimum cost

 

http://www.naval-tec...ts/river_class/


Edited by l'angelo mysterioso, 07 November 2013 - 11:37 AM.

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#6 Tiny Tim

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:18 PM

My grandfather worked as a master carpenter in Portsmouth on the ships 1920 - 1950, he has some fascinating photos from his days there. Sad to see this closing.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:01 PM

My grandfather worked as a master carpenter in Portsmouth on the ships 1920 - 1950, he has some fascinating photos from his days there. Sad to see this closing.

there have been very few ships built at Portsmouth Dockyard post world war 2.

The yaard shut permanently, then Vosper Thorneycroft moved in about ten years ago(later to become part of BAE),buildng smallish fast attack craft and patrol vessels


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 09:55 AM

will the people who are to lose their jobs become scroungers on the state as soon as they claim benefits?


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#9 JohnM

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 10:12 AM

Will they actually get any benefits?   Might it depend on the actual level of redundancy pay?  

 

How about a twinning scheme. Say twin 100 of those who lose their jobs with Mark Byford. His £1,000,000 might go a long away. Or with the other senior public sector redundant troughers who have trousered££  hundreds of thousands of my money, or the same in the private sector who have trousered   £££  hundreds of thousands of shareholders money.


Edited by JohnM, 08 November 2013 - 10:17 AM.





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