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#1 Larry the Leit

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:38 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24877081

Awful story really. I wonder how widespread this type of crime is and has been in the conflict zones over the past few decades.

This squaddie wasn't caught because his colleagues turned him in, which to me should see them dismissed from the army.
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#2 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:01 AM

since forever in any conflict you can name

 

they are still digging up the bodies of the 'disappeared' in Northern Ireland

 

when does the savage urge born out of training and experience, to kill your enemy, an enemy who hates you and wants to kill you: and the urge to show mercy to a damaged fellow human being end and begin? It's a grey area


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#3 Larry the Leit

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:16 AM

I don't think people are trained to shoot dead injured defenseless people Frank.
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#4 TheTerminator

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:18 AM

Of course he should be shown leniency. After all, he's a 'hero'. Right?

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#5 archibald

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:26 AM

If you train people to be dispassionate about killing, then don't be surprised when they kill people dispassionately.



#6 808tone

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:38 AM

Kill your enemy or be killed by your enemy should be the motto of war.

War is silly and big business yet look's like the PC brigade is going on in the battlefield's.



#7 gingerjon

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:39 AM

This PC brigade, are they armed?
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#8 archibald

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:44 AM

Kill your enemy or be killed by your enemy should be the motto of war.

War is silly and big business yet look's like the PC brigade is going on in the battlefield's.

I think in this case the enemy wasn't really in a position to kill anyone, what with the marines able to do a comedy sketch and make a home movie while stood over him.



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:48 AM

This PC brigade, are they armed?

Yes with banner's/sandal's/PHD's and ticket's for a working class SWP book fair ?.



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:56 AM

Shooting a defenceless, injured combatant; isn't this a war crime?


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#11 Northern Sol

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:00 AM

Shooting a defenceless, injured combatant; isn't this a war crime?


Yes, that's why he is being punished.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:00 AM

Shooting a defenceless, injured combatant; isn't this a war crime?

If it was the other way round do you think the Taliban fighter's would been more lenient ?



#13 Northern Sol

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:01 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24877081

Awful story really. I wonder how widespread this type of crime is and has been in the conflict zones over the past few decades.

This squaddie wasn't caught because his colleagues turned him in, which to me should see them dismissed from the army.


He is being punished and he deserves to be punished but few of us on this board have been in his situation and we should not be too critical of the views of people who have.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:07 AM

If it was the other way round do you think the Taliban fighter's would been more lenient ?


No, but isn't that what we are supposed to be fighting against?

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#15 Larry the Leit

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:08 AM

He is being punished and he deserves to be punished but few of us on this board have been in his situation and we should not be too critical of the views of people who have.


A professional soldier acted contrary to the Geneva convention and against his training. I think that's worthy of a heap of criticism, and the mug on the radio this morning who wasn't even familiar with the facts called for leniency.
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#16 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:09 AM

I don't think people are trained to shoot dead injured defenseless people Frank.

no they aren't: they are trained to shoot people...the circumstances in which they shoot them aren't defined.

and I'm not trying to legitimise the actions of this man far from it.


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#17 Northern Sol

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:11 AM

A professional soldier acted contrary to the Geneva convention and against his training. I think that's worthy of a heap of criticism, and the mug on the radio this morning who wasn't even familiar with the facts called for leniency.


He is being punished that's more than criticism. I can't see how he can avoid jail and dismissal.

However whether or not the general is familiar with the specifics, I'm sure he is more familiar than almost anybody here with the pressures that soldiers are under out there.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:12 AM

If it was the other way round do you think the Taliban fighter's would been more lenient ?

we are supposed to be better than the taliban, that's supposed to be the whole point

 

however the idea of warfare is to destroy your enemy and military personel are hyped up to do just that when they are in action.

I empathise with Larry's point, but recognise the grey areas involved.


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#19 Northern Sol

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:12 AM

No, but isn't that what we are supposed to be fighting against?


No, we went out to fight against Al Qaeda. God knows what we are fighting for now.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:14 AM

Kill your enemy or be killed by your enemy should be the motto of war.

War is silly and big business yet look's like the PC brigade is going on in the battlefield's.

poor literacy skills I can live with

but rank silliness along with triteness is another issue altogether.


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