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#21 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 08:09 PM

no money, no people, no infratsructure, no thanks

 

and workington and Whitehaven have spent too much time and energy on their pathetic small town hatreds and Barrow isd too far away.


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#22 joe elliot

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 08:31 PM

On one hand you have the tribalism of home town teams and wanting to go it alone. Then there is the realistic view, which is that even if one of the clubs got to super league they would still never be able to attract enough support to become a grand final winner.
It's different for me as I feel Cumbrian just as much as I do barrovian. The only way of having a succesful Cumbrian super league team is by accepting we have to involve the whole county. It would work.
Just for the record I would also like to see Toulouse in super league.
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Posted 11 November 2013 - 08:51 PM

where would you play from



#24 yipyee

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 09:02 PM

You could have the training base in Carlisle, therefore not to 'step on the toes' of the other clubs....

 

Link with uni/college/schools in Carlisle,

 

Promote 1 / 2 big 'events' a year in Carlisle,

 

Make the other clubs bid for / promote / market the other 12 games, (Aka the World cup)...

 

Sell sponsorship/ season tickets as all games, and packages for 'area' games,

 

If there's no bid for 1 game take on the road Penrith, North East, across the border???? Anywhere to raise the profile of the Brand!

 

As for receiving travelling support....Your side might play in ....(Insert venue)...... once every four years so venues wont become stale...

 

If marketed properly it would be a pathway of..... amateur club, local semi-pro club, County side, National team!!



#25 yipyee

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 09:03 PM

1 Idea.....



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 09:11 PM

waits with baited breath for the toulouse for super league brigade to start rubbishing the idea........of course cumbria should have a presence in the top flight, one of the games strongholds..

Same as Cornwall for Rugby Union and maybe Jersey soon.



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 09:19 PM

no money, no people, no infratsructure, no thanks

 

and workington and Whitehaven have spent too much time and energy on their pathetic small town hatreds and Barrow isd too far away.

Point the finger at Sporting clubs but not at no go area's i have mentioned on the other thread.



#28 goldcoaster

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 09:25 PM

Hang on, on this forum aren't we supposed to blow up at the idea of a franchise, and state the only way Cumbria can have a team is if one of he existing clubs gets promoted, purely n on-field results, regardless of business plan, population or infrastructure?

*tongue firmly in cheek*
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Posted 11 November 2013 - 09:29 PM

Does Cumbria need a SL club? Not particularly in my opinion.

As long as we get a youth system in place which is organised by all 3 clubs to ensure that the best talent from West and South Cumbria is not taken from us then I don't think there is need for one.

If we ensure the young players have a route to SL and the semi pro clubs can benefit from SL clubs having to purchase these young players then that makes me happy.

If we had a system where Wigan had to buy Lee Mossop off Haven, or Warrington had to buy Ben Harrison off Barrow or Huddersfield had to buy Shaun Lunt off Workington but these players could have a SL standard development representing their county, I will be more than happy.

Cumbria doesn't have enough people and money to support a SL club. We do on the other hand have enough of it to support 3 semi professional clubs and hopefully have a youth system in place to benefit the county as well as the country in producing international quality players. That is good enough for me.
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#30 joe elliot

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 09:43 PM

It may be good enough for you, but you can also understand that it might not be enough for others. I for one would love to see 4 home super league games in barrow, cheering on Cumbria.
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Posted 11 November 2013 - 09:59 PM

so you would have 3 home venues shared by the superleague franchise?



#32 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:07 PM

It may be good enough for you, but you can also understand that it might not be enough for others. I for one would love to see 4 home super league games in barrow, cheering on Cumbria.

What would craven park, the recre, and Derwent park be used for the rest if the time?

Would you have three sets of groundstaff? Three times the maintenance and upkeep?

Not to mention the rejection of the pathetic small town finalists?

The area whilst being passionate about the game is sparsely populated and poor and the population scattered


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#33 yipyee

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:41 PM

What would craven park, the recre, and Derwent park be used for the rest if the time?
Would you have three sets of groundstaff? Three times the maintenance and upkeep?
Not to mention the rejection of the pathetic small town finalists?
The area whilst being passionate about the game is sparsely populated and poor and the population scattered


To SPELL IT OUT the three current clubs continue as normal they pay the ground staff upkeep etc...

Cumbria RL play at each ground 3 / 4 times.....

These games are in addition to the games usually played at each respective venue....

Think of it as the world cup, Scotland played two additional matches at the venue, pretty certain scotland rl didnt have to slip the groundsman some wages?

The only expenditure would be a small fee to each club for hosting the game, It could be wise to make the fee a percentage of gate receipt, therefore the more the host markets the event the bigger the reward and every one wins....
Also would you not want england to win a tourny because you dont like.. (insert local rival)...who also supports england?!?!

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:46 PM

As above and just to add that cumbria is not poor and has some of the most affluent areas in the north. Barrow and the west coast is part of the energy coast that has seen massive growth.
It's not about hurting the individual clubs it's about giving cumbria the chance of real success at the pinnacle of rugby league. It would be good for the game overall which is what I really care about.

Edited by joe elliot, 11 November 2013 - 10:50 PM.

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:49 PM

To SPELL IT OUT the three current clubs continue as normal they pay the ground staff upkeep etc...

Cumbria RL play at each ground 3 / 4 times.....

These games are in addition to the games usually played at each respective venue....

Think of it as the world cup, Scotland played two additional matches at the venue, pretty certain scotland rl didnt have to slip the groundsman some wages?

The only expenditure would be a small fee to each club for hosting the game, It could be wise to make the fee a percentage of gate receipt, therefore the more the host markets the event the bigger the reward and every one wins....
Also would you not want england to win a tourny because you dont like.. (insert local rival)...who also supports england?!?!

would there be enough quality players around to support a superleague team and 3 championship teams



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:51 PM

What would craven park, the recre, and Derwent park be used for the rest if the time?

Would you have three sets of groundstaff? Three times the maintenance and upkeep?

Not to mention the rejection of the pathetic small town finalists?

The area whilst being passionate about the game is sparsely populated and poor and the population scattered

 

Erm - Barrow Raiders, Whitehaven and Workington Town and Comets.

 

In the unlikely event that someone has the funding I would like to see each of the three clubs take an equal ~ 10% stake in a new club with the remaining 70% new finance new owners.

 

The original clubs move down a level or two perhaps even joining Wath Brow and Egrement and going back to the Winter season for year round Rugby in West Cumbria. If the new club folds it would also allow the three current semi-pro clubs to step back up to Championship level.

 

Full dual registration between the three current clubs and the new Superleague Club so that Cumbria Superleague gets first dibs on the Cumbrian players during the Superleague season.

 

Then as stated 4 games at each of the current grounds assuming they can be made to SL standard. Perhaps and agreement with Carlisle United to use Brunton Park if Cumbria goes on a good cup run (save arguing who gets the extra games).



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 11:00 PM

Same as Cornwall for Rugby Union and maybe Jersey soon.

 

Perhaps the RU should look at getting PL Union into Cornwall.

 

More geographically practical what about the Scottish RU team and the fact that the main hotbed for Scottish RU no longer has a top flight team?

 

Would Scotland be doing better if they had managed to keep funding the Borders side in the Celtic League rather than retreat to soccer mad Glasgow and indifferent (outside the internationals at Murrayfield) Edinburgh?



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 11:08 PM

would there be enough quality players around to support a superleague team and 3 championship teams


Good question,
The 3 championship clubs playing rosta would remain the same?
The superleague club would initially find players as widnes did in their first year?
Doesnt an academy already exist? What a waste if the players cant get game time to cover injuries (like escare?)
Then instead of producing players for other areas feed into Cumbria rl!

Lets not forget about travelling fans who have been starved of a weekend to Cumbria in the name if RL!

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 11:13 PM

would there be enough quality players around to support a superleague team and 3 championship teams

 

Didn't the combined semi-pro Cumbrians beat the SL teams in the 9s Tournament last year?
 

Its likely that the 3 Championship teams would have to step down a level or two.



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 11:36 PM

As above and just to add that cumbria is not poor and has some of the most affluent areas in the north. Barrow and the west coast is part of the energy coast that has seen massive growth.
It's not about hurting the individual clubs it's about giving cumbria the chance of real success at the pinnacle of rugby league. It would be good for the game overall which is what I really care about.


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