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Award 2021 WC To UK&I Now!

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#1 IM2

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 07:00 PM

The RLIF should award the 2021 WC to the UK &I now. Keep the current team in place and start the process now. The 2017 tournament wont be in the UK and is nailed on for Aus/NZ. That means that UK&I probably nailed on for 2021. There will be a huge amount of good will after this tournament and we should jump on that and start planning now. 

 

The added benefit is we can then plan a full international programme around that as well.




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Posted 12 November 2013 - 07:17 PM

I fully agree.  Lets have things sorted out well in advance for a change.  As much as I dislike the game of Union, the administration of their code is far in advance of ours.  They already have the 2019 host nation sorted out (Japan I believe).  This RLWC has shown that good forward planning will go a long way to achieving a successful tournament.


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 09:44 PM

I agree lets nail it down now so we can plan and may be improve some of our stadia in time for it . Would give France a few more games next time with all there group games played there. Do think it was a mistake playing PNG in Hull. I think the one PNG v Samao  in Hull would have been enough. May be next time have to opening game in France .But more important than the world cup is to get our league structure sorted and a regular European international comp going . We cant just expect Ireland , Scotland and Italy just to turn out for world cup . We need to build on this world cup fans have shown theres a demand for international fixtures 25,000 for England v Ireland proves it . Like I have said in another post if we played a six nations comp as five triple headers start first season with rounds at KC Stadium , DW stadium , John Smith Stadium , Cardiff city Stadium and a venue in France im sure they would be well supported . 


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 09:48 PM

What? And ignore South Africa? And a possible USA bid?

Let's wait and see what happens first...
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Posted 12 November 2013 - 10:08 PM

What? And ignore South Africa? And a possible USA bid?

Let's wait and see what happens first...


USA would be interesting, I remember the soccer world cup sold well In 94?

They are world leaders in marketing and wouldn't need large crouds in US terms to be a success. ..

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 10:15 PM

It would be interesting to know how much, if any notice the Italians have taken of the World Cup. If it has been televised and well recieved over there, how about a bit of a "World Cup European Tour". Games in Scotland, Ireland, England, Wales, France, Spain and Italy.
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Posted 12 November 2013 - 10:54 PM

It would be interesting to know how much, if any notice the Italians have taken of the World Cup. If it has been televised and well recieved over there, how about a bit of a "World Cup European Tour". Games in Scotland, Ireland, England, Wales, France, Spain and Italy.

28 games. 26 events.

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Italy games in Milan and Roma.
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Posted 12 November 2013 - 11:05 PM

What? And ignore South Africa? And a possible USA bid?

Let's wait and see what happens first...

Never gonna happen but I hope its the French turn to host the RLWC in 2021 with games in UK and Ireland.



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Posted 13 November 2013 - 02:59 PM

i dont think we are ready for anywhere else but Aus/NZ & UK&I/France. the next two cycles could really launch RL internationally. It would also yield the most profit which helps everyone grow. After that cycle you have to believe that more countries will have strengthened and developed so mayb 2025 would be the one to aim for away from the main established areas.

 

RU is only spreading their wings now. Japan still has a very wealthy and established RU set up. as good as league in England. 

 

we need to build on solid foundations. most importantly awarding the 2021 now you could keep a staff in place with good knowledge. it also would make sure we have maximum time to get decent tv coverage.




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Posted 13 November 2013 - 03:19 PM

i dont think we are ready for anywhere else but Aus/NZ & UK&I/France. the next two cycles could really launch RL internationally. It would also yield the most profit which helps everyone grow. After that cycle you have to believe that more countries will have strengthened and developed so mayb 2025 would be the one to aim for away from the main established areas.

 

RU is only spreading their wings now. Japan still has a very wealthy and established RU set up. as good as league in England. 

 

we need to build on solid foundations. most importantly awarding the 2021 now you could keep a staff in place with good knowledge. it also would make sure we have maximum time to get decent tv coverage.

 

Fully agree. Underpinned by a development programme for emerging and development nations, and supported by a ten year international calendar, 2021 could be the tournament that begins to see more than three realistic contenders.

 

I would say formally award the tournament to the Northern Hemisphere, and allow the RFL, FFR13, the other Home Nations and Ireland to begin negotiations locally, commencing a formal bid process by the close of 2015, giving a full five year lead in. International stability. A set calendar is cruicial if we are to build upon 2013.

 

Not only that, but it would allow the scale of ambition to progress to the next level. We now have robust host city case studies, and clear evidence of the social and economic impact that the current tournament has had on each location. For 2012 there should be an increased wave of interest from bidders that allow this growth.

 

I seem to remember reading that the International Board is meeting in London next week ahead of the Wembley fixtures. Hopefully something along these lines is on the agenda.


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Posted 13 November 2013 - 05:49 PM

Not sure that awarding the 2021 World Cup now is sensible. We've got a process for 2017 to sort first.

I would like to see the team that have organised this World Cup, employed by the RLIF and charged with organising a calendar of international matches for all the nations over the next few years, with a separate, dedicated team to deliver an even better World Cup in 2017.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 07:57 PM

For me I'd love to see it awarded to England after this World Cup with the bidding process for cities beginning nice and early and with how successfull the comp has been so far I reckon the intrest from cites would be huge. Look apart here and aus no one else can hold a rl World Cup and 2021 isn't that far off so the only option I'd say anyway is I been held over here can't be aus again, also it would be great to see maybe Italy look at staging 1 game same said for scot and Ireland obviously France and Wales would be looking at holding a few games. Of course 2017 is the priority at the moment but for me nothing wrong with announcing it early so it's in place allowing a bidding process from cities.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 08:17 PM

If it pulls the punters and raises the profile of the game globally, I don't care if it gets awarded to Burkina Faso.



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Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:52 AM

clearly there are only 2 options or maybe 4 options which are the same 2 but with a spin. ie Aus or Eng or Aus + NZ (maybe + PNG) and Eng + Fra +Sco +Wal +Ire. if Aus gets 2017 then we should award 2021 now to UK&I. I would give Fra 4  to 5 games. 3 group games inc Fra a Sth Sea Island clash and a qtr 




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Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:06 PM

If it pulls the punters and raises the profile of the game globally, I don't care if it gets awarded to Burkina Faso.

 

Ouagadougou Outlaws probably have a better set-up than the London Broncos


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:45 PM

Personally I would like to see 2017 hosted by NZ with some games in Aus, and 2021 just in France.

No point going to SA, USA etc atm as momentum would be lost. These next two times we need it in strong RL areas which can build on the current success, until we have a strong, well established, 16 team comp.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:05 PM

Don't award it to anyone yet.

 

Capitalise on the success of this tournament by getting a credible bidding process going. Build the momentum for a UK&I World Cup, but make sure France, Italy etc get the chance to get their name on the ticket early. It was a minor mistake, I thought, to call this tournament 'England and Wales' and then tack on Ireland and France.

 

But the bidding is important, just as it will be when we drop a level and start talking about host towns and cities. Build the moment, celebrate the award (if ours is the best bid), let's find out who else could throw some money in / host a game or two. Announce it in two years, two years out from the next WC.


I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.


#18 IM2

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:00 PM

Don't award it to anyone yet.

 

Capitalise on the success of this tournament by getting a credible bidding process going. Build the momentum for a UK&I World Cup, but make sure France, Italy etc get the chance to get their name on the ticket early. It was a minor mistake, I thought, to call this tournament 'England and Wales' and then tack on Ireland and France.

 

But the bidding is important, just as it will be when we drop a level and start talking about host towns and cities. Build the moment, celebrate the award (if ours is the best bid), let's find out who else could throw some money in / host a game or two. Announce it in two years, two years out from the next WC.

the bid process builds no momentum. 




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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:18 PM

We should of course award it at the best possible moment to give it the best possible chance of success and momentum.
Apart from anything else 2013 has given us credibility as a concept. The RL World Cup is no longer a joke. So, we can have much greayer confidence all round when we come to 2017 and 2021. Before we do anything, we need the dust to settle and all lessons to be learnt - why assume it's UK and I in the title? Surely France have earnt more games at bigger stadia? Having been to Limerick I wouldn't make Ireland a priority above Scotland, say.
What are people concerned about? If it's that Bolton and co will go elsewhere then talk to them about their ambitions/timescales. Anyone involved in the planning deserves to remain employed by either the RFL or RLIF. I'd like them involved in planning and executing every event over the next 8 years, turning their attention back to the World Cup after 2017 has finished. I imagine we will learn a great deal from 2017, just as we have from 2013, some of which may be relevant to the planning of 2021.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:29 PM

New Zealand and the Pacific?

 

New Zealand are the current holders and a few home games for Pacific sides would help with expansion. Going back and forth between Australia and England over and over is a bit negative expansion wise.


Edited by B rad, 14 November 2013 - 03:32 PM.





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