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#1 EQUALIZER

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 01:22 AM

To nights performance average to say the least.If we dont make the final the team wont have failed us the coach will have.Not one break from the half backs please tell me hes not going to play this pair against New Zealand. If Frances wingers would have been up to the mark we would have scrapped home. Any one of the top four super league clubs would have produced the same result.


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#2 Blind side johnny

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 12:59 PM

To nights performance average to say the least.If we dont make the final the team wont have failed us the coach will have.Not one break from the half backs please tell me hes not going to play this pair against New Zealand. If Frances wingers would have been up to the mark we would have scrapped home. Any one of the top four super league clubs would have produced the same result.

 

 

And they are made up of English players only are they?

 

I know that SM isn't liked by same but too many people seem to be just waiting for the team to fail so that they can blame it on him. Sadly, like many of our other sports in this country, the number of eligible players to choose from - who are also good enough - is very limited. I reckon this team is as good as could have been selected but sadly will prove not to be good enough to win the cup, maybe not even reach the final. I will view that as a realistic recognition of the state of English RL at present.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 01:15 PM

And they are made up of English players only are they?

 

I know that SM isn't liked by same but too many people seem to be just waiting for the team to fail so that they can blame it on him. Sadly, like many of our other sports in this country, the number of eligible players to choose from - who are also good enough - is very limited. I reckon this team is as good as could have been selected but sadly will prove not to be good enough to win the cup, maybe not even reach the final. I will view that as a realistic recognition of the state of English RL at present.

 

Agreed. Also, I reckon that in my half a century, the top three national teams have never been collectively stronger so harder than ever to win the world cup.

For me it is a great opportunity to watch some off-season (dare I say winter?) rugby with no parochialism.. . . . what can be better than watching the world's best players playing the world's best game?



#4 DEWSBURY TIL I DIE

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 01:20 PM

Danny brough in a Aussie shirt and the English public will call him the best half back in the world.. Danny brough over rangi chase and england are a lot better side

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 01:28 PM

Danny brough in a Aussie shirt and the English public will call him the best half back in the world.. Danny brough over rangi chase and england are a lot better side

 

I have watched Widdop play all season and he has been oustanding, yet he can't get a game.

 

It's an old boys club and always will be im afraid.

 

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#6 EQUALIZER

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 02:38 PM

Agreed. Also, I reckon that in my half a century, the top three national teams have never been collectively stronger so harder than ever to win the world cup.

For me it is a great opportunity to watch some off-season (dare I say winter?) rugby with no parochialism.. . . . what can be better than watching the world's best players playing the world's best game?

Theres one here not waiting for England to fail.Trouble is on here like many sites people tend to have learnt to live with failure.That team with the right half backs can beat New Zealand..When Burrows came on last week he changed the game..Last night was a warning hes a week to sort it out. In fact had he got it right from the start we would have been playing the Aussies with out Slater.



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 06:26 PM

Theres one here not waiting for England to fail.Trouble is on here like many sites people tend to have learnt to live with failure.That team with the right half backs can beat New Zealand..When Burrows came on last week he changed the game..Last night was a warning hes a week to sort it out. In fact had he got it right from the start we would have been playing the Aussies with out Slater.

Oh no! No billy slater!!! who on earth will they play who can possibly replace him?????
Think the answer to this makes it clear just how big the chasm is between England and the Australians.
This isn't a dig at SM or anyone,just a plain and simple fact.The players aren't good enough.
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Posted 17 November 2013 - 06:28 PM

I know there is a lot of unrest about McNamara picking Chase but one of the things that has really stood out for me is the number of players the big two have in there squads who are not actually playing for their country of birth either.

 

I would be interesting to see England playing an Australian or a NZ side for that matter that just had born and bred Kiwi's and Aussies in it and did not include the best pickings from the other nations around them.

 

Here's a few examples:

 

Jarryd Hayne played for Fiji in the last world cup

Josh Papalii a Kiwi playing for Australia

James Tamou a Kiwi playing for Australia

Sam Moa a Tongan playing for NZ

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck a Samoan playing for NZ

Manu Vatuvei Tongan playing for NZ

Josh Hoffman Aussie playing for NZ

 

If the England and Spanish National football teams took the same stance they would be Finalists in every tournament too.



#9 Blind side johnny

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 07:12 PM

I know there is a lot of unrest about McNamara picking Chase but one of the things that has really stood out for me is the number of players the big two have in there squads who are not actually playing for their country of birth either.

 

I would be interesting to see England playing an Australian or a NZ side for that matter that just had born and bred Kiwi's and Aussies in it and did not include the best pickings from the other nations around them.

 

Here's a few examples:

 

Jarryd Hayne played for Fiji in the last world cup

Josh Papalii a Kiwi playing for Australia

James Tamou a Kiwi playing for Australia

Sam Moa a Tongan playing for NZ

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck a Samoan playing for NZ

Manu Vatuvei Tongan playing for NZ

Josh Hoffman Aussie playing for NZ

 

If the England and Spanish National football teams took the same stance they would be Finalists in every tournament too.

 

 

Not to mention the cricket team..........................oh!!


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 09:54 PM

No matter who the coach is (or was) the EnglandGB teams' performances of the last number of years has not been very good and last evening was no exception. There seems to be a lack of creativity, except perhaps (as Equalizer put) when Burrow was on the field.

I cannot see them defeating New Zealand without a massive improvement and they must play as a team.

As for players born in one country and playing for another, is there any country in his competition whose players were born there?
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Posted 17 November 2013 - 11:24 PM

I just though I'd add to DOGFATHER's comment and add that in the Australian RU side, they have a fly half playing for them called Quade Cooper who is infact a kiwi by birth, the only reason he is playing for Australia is because he has played his rugby there. The same with England RU centre Manu Tualagi, he is infact a Samoan, but plays for England due fact he has played his rugby there.
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Posted 18 November 2013 - 01:04 AM

I know there is a lot of unrest about McNamara picking Chase but one of the things that has really stood out for me is the number of players the big two have in there squads who are not actually playing for their country of birth either.

 

I would be interesting to see England playing an Australian or a NZ side for that matter that just had born and bred Kiwi's and Aussies in it and did not include the best pickings from the other nations around them.

 

Here's a few examples:

 

Jarryd Hayne played for Fiji in the last world cup

Josh Papalii a Kiwi playing for Australia

James Tamou a Kiwi playing for Australia

Sam Moa a Tongan playing for NZ

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck a Samoan playing for NZ

Manu Vatuvei Tongan playing for NZ

Josh Hoffman Aussie playing for NZ

 

If the England and Spanish National football teams took the same stance they would be Finalists in every tournament too.

 

Dogfather the Spanish National football team are World & European Champions. So your arguement falls flat then.

 

And we do have a third rate Aussie in Rangi chase in the England team , who would not get in the Australian 3rd team, so we are to blame as well for playing foreigners as well.



#13 DEWSBURY TIL I DIE

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:18 AM

No but Danny brough would be a good enough halfback to cause the Aussies problems!

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 11:43 AM

No but Danny brough would be a good enough halfback to cause the Aussies problems!

 

 

...and he committed to play for Scotland in March. So what would you do, kidnap him?


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:25 PM

Only committed because the coach didn't pick him in first place when he warranted an inclusion in the 40 odd plus train on squad at the beginning of the year, purely didn't get picked because his face didn't fit

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:25 PM

Only committed because the coach didn't pick him in first place when he warranted an inclusion in the 40 odd plus train on squad at the beginning of the year, purely didn't get picked because his face didn't fit

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:55 PM

By the way it would have been Fiji had we beaten the Aussies in the semis.Thought you lads would have picked up on that.lol



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 03:26 PM

Only committed because the coach didn't pick him in first place when he warranted an inclusion in the 40 odd plus train on squad at the beginning of the year, purely didn't get picked because his face didn't fit

Broughies face wouldn't fit well on a wanted poster - have to admit though - he's the best halfback in the English game.



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 04:37 PM

Broughies face wouldn't fit well on a wanted poster - have to admit though - he's the best halfback in the English game.

In Super League against other not so good ones then yes but as has always been the case with Brough and his time in a Scotland this time also proves it, he has a tendency to go missing on the big stage and cant be relied upon.



#20 Blind side johnny

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 06:58 PM

In Super League against other not so good ones then yes but as has always been the case with Brough and his time in a Scotland this time also proves it, he has a tendency to go missing on the big stage and cant be relied upon.

 

 

But that would have been SM's fault Gary!


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