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#21 Wolford6

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 02:58 PM

The apostrophe.


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#22 Futtocks

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 03:07 PM

The apostrophe.

:biggrin: 

 

Seriously, when I was younger, the choice was French for red and German/Austrian for white, and their cheaper plonk wasn't that great. Then, Eastern Europe muscled in with more drinkable stuff at the lower price range, followed by the big breakthrough that was Australia. Remember the Monty Python sketch? It wasn't that long ago that Aussie wines weren't all that great, but they wised up and weren't afraid to abandon tradition and try new methods.

 

New Zealand, South Africa, North & South America all raised the bar while France in particular stayed stuck in the mud. Pound for pound, at the various budget levels, they were totally outgunned. Only after a long time did they unbend a bit and take on some of the New World expertise.

 

Now, there are excellent wines you can buy from Croatia to Kent, from Lebanon to Patagonia, and the traditional producers have had to accept that they are not above competition.


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#23 Wolford6

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 03:16 PM


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#24 gingerjon

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 03:36 PM

:biggrin:

 

Seriously, when I was younger, the choice was French for red and German/Austrian for white, and their cheaper plonk wasn't that great. Then, Eastern Europe muscled in with more drinkable stuff at the lower price range, followed by the big breakthrough that was Australia. Remember the Monty Python sketch? It wasn't that long ago that Aussie wines weren't all that great, but they wised up and weren't afraid to abandon tradition and try new methods.

 

New Zealand, South Africa, North & South America all raised the bar while France in particular stayed stuck in the mud. Pound for pound, at the various budget levels, they were totally outgunned. Only after a long time did they unbend a bit and take on some of the New World expertise.

 

Now, there are excellent wines you can buy from Croatia to Kent, from Lebanon to Patagonia, and the traditional producers have had to accept that they are not above competition.

 

Just stay away from anything calling itself Cornish wine.


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#25 Futtocks

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 03:39 PM

Just stay away from anything calling itself Cornish wine.

Or 'tonic wine', unless you are a gentleman of the road...


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#26 WearyRhino

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 05:30 PM

The apostrophe.


That made me guffaw on the bus!

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#27 ehbandit

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 06:46 PM

I don't drink wine, but I've always thought does it matter how much it costs? if it tastes nice then drink it, if not then don't!

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:42 AM

Sunday Times Wine club for me. They've never let me down.

Interesting that bleep hadn't bought French wine in years, but still slates them. As a general point let's hope he stays away from all wine for a bit.

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#29 Bearman

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 08:04 PM

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#30 808tone

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 08:48 PM

So french Wine was good back in the day.



#31 Futtocks

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 10:41 AM

So french Wine was good back in the day.

It still can be good but, because many French winemakers don't put the grape varieties used on their labels (tradition, y'see?), you have to know a bit more to avoid the poor ones.


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#32 Steve May

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 05:18 PM

Didn't Steve May, sometime of this parish, once say he had a job bottling wine from the giant vats new world wine comes over in?

 

Not quite but I have spent rather a lot of time over the past few years working for a wine company.

 

They bring most of it over it giant plastic bladders in containers on ships.  Very interesting stuff.

 

Personally, I don't really like wine.


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#33 Steve May

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 05:20 PM

Twenty years ago, I used to deal with a Huddersfield company that bottled and marketed wine. it was delivered from Europe in road tankers!

 

Continental Wines & Spirits, on Leeds Road?

 

Still there, not far from the stadium.


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#34 WearyRhino

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 07:14 PM

Continental Wines & Spirits, on Leeds Road?

Still there, not far from the stadium.


Not far from the chemical plants then?

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#35 shaun mc

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 10:20 PM

Nowt wrong with French wine. Had 10 days in Bordeaux in September, and did my best to sample as much as I could.
New Zealand Pinot Noir is favourite though
Very drinkable cheap-ish wine - can't go wrong with Il Papavero from Laithwaites. Goes down very well and not too strong

#36 808tone

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 10:45 PM

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#37 Futtocks

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 10:08 AM

Nowt wrong with French wine. Had 10 days in Bordeaux in September, and did my best to sample as much as I could.
New Zealand Pinot Noir is favourite though
Very drinkable cheap-ish wine - can't go wrong with Il Papavero from Laithwaites. Goes down very well and not too strong

Affordable French wine has become competitive again, as long as you know what to buy. They cling to tradition when it comes to naming and labelling, which puts many people off, as it's sometimes hard to know what you're getting.

 

I believe some of their winemakers have swallowed their pride and looked to the new world wineries for expertise, as they can't get away with selling watery plonk when the Antipodes and South America can offer much more for the same price.

 

One thing I would recommend is South African Chenin blanc - over the last decade or so, they've learned how to make that grape variety produce something really special.


Edited by Futtocks, 22 January 2014 - 10:10 AM.

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#38 longboard

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 01:25 PM

 

They bring most of it over it giant plastic bladders in containers on ships.  Very interesting stuff.

 

 

 

Yup. Tanker wine, as it's known. It's cheaper to transport it this way presumably, rather than shipping masses of bottles.



#39 Steve May

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:21 AM

They bring most of it over it giant plastic bladders in containers on ships.  Very interesting stuff.

 

 

 

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