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#1 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 08:06 AM

Seeing how much the public are loving the various cuts,Labour are looking at this one -

 

http://www.telegraph...-under-25s.html

 

 

People under the age of 25 would be barred from claiming unemployment benefits under proposals being considered by the Labour Party.

 


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#2 gingerjon

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 08:14 AM

Because, under no circumstances, must we look at restricting the baby boomers' rights to unlimited prosperity.


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#3 JohnM

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 08:55 AM

Because, under no circumstances, must we look at restricting the baby boomers' rights to unlimited prosperity.


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#4 Larry the Leit

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 09:52 AM

What we need is more kicking of people when they're down, and more age discrimination.  Where do I sign up?


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#5 ckn

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 10:19 AM

I know people have said repeatedly that the Labour party must move with the times to be electable but I really think they've become Tory-lite in everything but name.  Some of the policies Labour put out in government and proposed were things that even Maggie wouldn't have dared implement.

 

My view is that if you've earned contribution based benefits and find yourself unemployed then you should get access to the entire benefits package regardless of your age and be given them without undue hassle.

 

What they, and the Coalition, are talking about is a massively blunt sledgehammer to hit a very specific and narrow nail of the "will not work" youth.  What about someone who works from 16yo to 23yo non-stop then gets made redundant because his company outsources his job abroad?  Scrounger!  Stop his benefits.  What about someone who is 40, has never worked and does not want to work, why isn't he caught by these proposals?

 

The danger is that you get what happens in America, those who feel disenfranchised by the system, can't find work and can't get benefits either move to crime or get effectively dumped in society's skip.  Yes, it reduces headline youth unemployment because not one country's statistics includes these people outside of the system, they're not claiming unemployment benefits therefore they're not "unemployed", a win for the statisticians.


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#6 Wolford6

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 11:01 AM

They need that benefit money for Romanians and Bulgarians. They know the under-25's will be forced to live with their parents and granparents, and then sponge money off them.

 

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#7 gazza77

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 11:03 AM

Because, under no circumstances, must we look at restricting the baby boomers' rights to unlimited prosperity.

 

Generation most likely to actually bother to vote. Why do you think they're looked after the best?!


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 11:17 AM

What constitutes an intensive job search? 

It just sounds like weasel words to out Tory the Tories and get onside with the mail readership

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#9 gingerjon

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 11:27 AM

Generation most likely to actually bother to vote. Why do you think they're looked after the best?!

 

Why would any under 25 vote and who would they vote for?


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#10 gazza77

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:20 PM

Why would any under 25 vote and who would they vote for?

 

Chicken, egg, etc. ;)


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#11 ehbandit

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:21 PM

I am disliking this country and it's politicians more and more each day. I am sick of being told that all the countries problems are because of people on benefits! I will leave my rant there, because I do not want to put my views down which may earn me a ban!

#12 Larry the Leit

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:28 PM

Chicken, egg, etc. ;)

The chicken is Clegg, who's the egg?


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#13 hindle xiii

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 03:37 PM

The chicken is Clegg, who's the egg?

Eric Pickled Egg.

 

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#14 Bostik Bailey

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 06:42 PM

I am disliking this country and it's politicians more and more each day. I am sick of being told that all the countries problems are because of people on benefits! I will leave my rant there, because I do not want to put my views down which may earn me a ban!


Oh course everything is the fault of people on benefits, they are leaches on society we should stop every benefit now or at least force then to work for multinational companies which post billions of pounds of profits and pay them out of the public purse.

Can somebody please explain to me the difference between a family living in a big house in Parr or Seacroft paid for by the tax payer and a couple with a big family living on the Mall in London also paid for by the tax payer.

The way that the poorer end of society have been vilified by this government ( a I include the lib dems in that) is disgusting.

Yes people cheat the system, but people also form cartels to rip off consumers. Both equally wrong we pay for both, but the latter make enough money to buy off the politicians.

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 11:46 AM

I would expect that the norm for most under 25s is not to get these benefits. Why? Because they are already in employment or education.

 

Sorry to sound like someone straight out of the nutter fringe of the Conservative party but they could always get off their backsides and get a job.

Personally i think the benefits system should not black out the under 25s totally but be time limited for all. We all know that idle sod you went to school with that has not done a single days work since you left. Why should this be the case? If you have not got a job within 2 years of being made unemployed you are no going to get one mainly through choice.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:20 PM

I would expect that the norm for most under 25s is not to get these benefits. Why? Because they are already in employment or education.

 

Sorry to sound like someone straight out of the nutter fringe of the Conservative party but they could always get off their backsides and get a job.

Personally i think the benefits system should not black out the under 25s totally but be time limited for all. We all know that idle sod you went to school with that has not done a single days work since you left. Why should this be the case? If you have not got a job within 2 years of being made unemployed you are no going to get one mainly through choice.

There are areas out there where there just isn't work for a sizeable group of under 25s.  Many companies no longer want or have to bother with trainees or apprentices because there's plenty of highly skilled workers already out of work and available in a recession.  The traditional middle path for youths moving into skilled work has almost stopped since the recession in 2008, that leaves the education path with degree-qualified work and the un- or semi-skilled work.  A perfect way to demotivate what should really be the core of our future skilled workforce.

 

The final path of going into the military if there's nothing else available has also tailed off to about 1/5th of what it was two decades ago.  You can't even really go into the TA these days as what company in their right mind would hire a TA soldier who is probably going to spend 6 months every 2 years called up to service?  The idiot government thinks that companies are going to be patriotically minded and allow their staff to be called up that often.  TA's OK when it's just a two week exercise every year and training weekends but the government's current idea of replacing active servicemen with TA is ridiculous in the extreme.

 

Saying "get a job" to those who really want a job but can't get one is demotivating at best and destructive at worst.


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#17 Li0nhead

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:59 PM

There are areas out there where there just isn't work for a sizeable group of under 25s.  Many companies no longer want or have to bother with trainees or apprentices because there's plenty of highly skilled workers already out of work and available in a recession.  The traditional middle path for youths moving into skilled work has almost stopped since the recession in 2008, that leaves the education path with degree-qualified work and the un- or semi-skilled work.  A perfect way to demotivate what should really be the core of our future skilled workforce.

 

The final path of going into the military if there's nothing else available has also tailed off to about 1/5th of what it was two decades ago.  You can't even really go into the TA these days as what company in their right mind would hire a TA soldier who is probably going to spend 6 months every 2 years called up to service?  The idiot government thinks that companies are going to be patriotically minded and allow their staff to be called up that often.  TA's OK when it's just a two week exercise every year and training weekends but the government's current idea of replacing active servicemen with TA is ridiculous in the extreme.

 

Saying "get a job" to those who really want a job but can't get one is demotivating at best and destructive at worst.

 

There are jobs out there. There are opportunities out there. If you really wanted a job and was a school leaver, you would get one within 2 years. It would be a rubbish job but it would be a start.



#18 JohnM

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:30 PM

There are never enough bus drivers.
There are never enough train drivers

#19 ckn

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:53 PM

There are never enough bus drivers.
There are never enough train drivers

Not sure about where you live but down this way there's a waiting list to become a train driver.  Many people take jobs as train engineers or other rail careers hoping to get onto one of the rare vacancies as an insider.

 

Also, there are always plenty of adverts for trainee bus drivers round this way but it's training companies advertising their courses rather than bus companies.  Again, the bus companies don't need to advertise as there are more people with good licenses and experience than jobs available, many are converted HGV drivers who can't get work paying above minimum wage these days.


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#20 Tyrone Shoelaces

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 03:16 PM

Where I live ( Rochdale ) charity shops have a waiting list for people who want to work there. You can't even work for free ! Jobs ? They're like hens teeth here.