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Rugby League helped me become a success at union says Robinson


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#1 The Future is League

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 11:31 PM

http://www.telegraph...ugby-union.html



#2 oikee

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:37 AM

I dont buy into these arguments any more. 

I seen Jason play at Suncorp during the 2003 rugby cup. He stood out like a sore thumb, same as Dallaglio who i thought was one of Englands best. 

They are two different sets of skills, across the park. 

Rugby league has evolved with the times, and as time goes on will continue to highlight superstar players, maybe for both codes, as we have done and continue to do. 

Sonny Bill, Israel Falou, Jason Robinson, Brad Thorn. All made it at top level in both codes. The point is that Rugby League made them stars, our code is made for superstars, and they shine at the top level in Australia. 

 

I do know that rugby league has a non stop production line of superstar players, Ben Barba, Sam Tomkins, Blake Ferguson, Roger Sheck, Hoparti, Shaun Johnson and many more , these players will keep me enthralled in the code of Rugby League, they will be earning millions of dollars, in Australia alone. 

 

Trying to compare the two codes is time wasting. 

Rugby League is also a code made for young players. Anthony Milford has just been offered 1 million a year, at 19. This will continue as the NRL salary cap moves ever higher. 



#3 Pie tries

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 07:50 PM

Robinson owes our code everything he has, he could give more back

#4 Griff9of13

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 09:15 PM

Robinson owes our code everything he has, he could give more back


How?
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#5 Tiny Tim

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 11:25 PM

Robinson owes our code everything he has

Disagree, he owes a lot to RL as that's where he started and won a hell of a lot of tropihes but RU brought him over to play that code and invested a lot of time and effort in helping him develop as a union player where he went on to win the ultimate rugby trophy.


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#6 Middleton Bull

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 08:43 AM

Disagree, he owes a lot to RL as that's where he started and won a hell of a lot of tropihes but RU brought him over to play that code and invested a lot of time and effort in helping him develop as a union player where he went on to win the ultimate rugby trophy.

As Robinson says himself, it was Rugby that gave him his attacking skills, not union.  Also, he never actually won the ultimate Rugby trophy. That privilege eluded him throughout his Rugby career. No doubt he will be watching with a little regret and envy when the ultimate Rugby trophy is lifted next Saturday by the winning captain.  That said, when he crossed codes he did manage to win the ultimate union trophy - a nice consolation.



#7 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 09:52 PM

Robinson owes our code everything he has, he could give more back

He owes rugby league nothing
He made a contribution
Was rewarded for it
The account balances

He has the right to live his life the say he chooses
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#8 Tiny Tim

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 10:06 PM

As Robinson says himself, it was Rugby that gave him his attacking skills, not union.  Also, he never actually won the ultimate Rugby trophy. That privilege eluded him throughout his Rugby career. No doubt he will be watching with a little regret and envy when the ultimate Rugby trophy is lifted next Saturday by the winning captain.  That said, when he crossed codes he did manage to win the ultimate union trophy - a nice consolation.

I believe Robinson was very open and honest about how long it took and how much work was required for him to succeed at playing RU after he finished playing league.


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#9 Middleton Bull

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 10:20 PM

I believe Robinson was very open and honest about how long it took and how much work was required for him to succeed at playing RU after he finished playing league.

I've no doubt it did take a while. I think it was 7 games of union before he played for England.  

 

That said,  he obviously had to fathom out rucks and mauls etc as they don't have them in League.  The point is, he places all his attacking flair and skill emphatically on his League backgound.  If anything, union's coaching diminished the attacking flair he brought from League.



#10 Duff Duff

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:15 PM

I've no doubt it did take a while. I think it was 7 games of union before he played for England.  

 

That said,  he obviously had to fathom out rucks and mauls etc as they don't have them in League.  The point is, he places all his attacking flair and skill emphatically on his League backgound.  If anything, union's coaching diminished the attacking flair he brought from League.

 

You are wrong again. We have been through this already. Robinson was recruited by the RFU to play international Union and fast tracked into the England side. When he was first picked for England he wasn't picked on merit he was picked on potential and by his own admission he didn't have a clue what he was doing when he played for England in 2001 and then for the Lions. Catch the ball run was the sum of it. 

 

Whether such fast tracking would work today is doubtful with the kicking from the 22 laws having been changed in 2008. Before they were changed wingers tended to pass the ball back into the 22 for the full back to clear but now wingers are expected to be defensive autonomous in a way they once weren't. Under the new laws a raw League recruit would have been targeted, isolated and turned over. 



#11 Middleton Bull

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:37 AM

You are wrong again. We have been through this already. Robinson was recruited by the RFU to play international Union and fast tracked into the England side. When he was first picked for England he wasn't picked on merit he was picked on potential and by his own admission he didn't have a clue what he was doing when he played for England in 2001 and then for the Lions. Catch the ball run was the sum of it. 

 

Whether such fast tracking would work today is doubtful with the kicking from the 22 laws having been changed in 2008. Before they were changed wingers tended to pass the ball back into the 22 for the full back to clear but now wingers are expected to be defensive autonomous in a way they once weren't. Under the new laws a raw League recruit would have been targeted, isolated and turned over. 

Of course Robinson was recruited to play international union and he fully succeeded from the word go.  Wasn't he just brilliant when he brought all those League skills across?  He is the best and brightest thing ever to hit British union.  And in response to your last point - no they wouldn't.  You can't possibly generalise in that way. 



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:44 AM

Of course Robinson was recruited to play international union and he fully succeeded from the word go.  Wasn't he just brilliant when he brought all those League skills across?  He is the best and brightest thing ever to hit British union.  And in response to your last point - no they wouldn't.  You can't possibly generalise in that way. 

 

I saw many of his early games for Sale and all of his early internationals and it didn't quite happen like that. Robinson probably only become truly comfortable in Union by the end of the 2001/2 season. Before then he was very raw and if defences knew what they were doing he could be exposed. England losing to Ireland in the 2001 Grand Slam decider sticks in the memory. 

 

In terms of the new kicking from the 22 laws they have changed the way Union wingers have to play and has made it much harder to play one dimensional ball carriers in the position. Lots of teams have started to play with two full backs to met the need for at least two quality footballers in the back three rather than just having out and out athletes. Before the law change the trend was in the other direction with many teams going down the route of three wingers instead of using a specialist full back. Playing in the back 3 in Union is now a much more technical proposition than it used to be. 



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 10:47 AM

Yet again another priceless chippy response from our resident bigot.  Of course Robinson was recruited to play international union and he fully succeeded from the word go.  Wasn't he just brilliant when he brought all those League skills across?  He is the best and brightest thing ever to hit British union.  And in response to your last point - no they wouldn't.  You can't possibly generalise in that way. 

A quick point here for the future.  Your post would have been perfectly fine but for the first sentence.  You can disagree to your heart's content with posts but you should know by now that we're not going to accept it when it gets personal, calling someone a bigot is going over that line.  Please take this as a bit of a statement of moderating intent and a line in the sand.


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#14 ehbandit

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 10:54 AM

http://www.telegraph...r-snobbery.html
nice piece

#15 808tone

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 11:38 AM

Christian Wade is a lot like Robinson.



#16 Middleton Bull

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 03:17 PM

A quick point here for the future.  Your post would have been perfectly fine but for the first sentence.  You can disagree to your heart's content with posts but you should know by now that we're not going to accept it when it gets personal, calling someone a bigot is going over that line.  Please take this as a bit of a statement of moderating intent and a line in the sand.

Ckn - point taken and I agree it was unwarranted..  But I would also expect the same response from you when a certain forum member uses the term "unreconstructed idiot" and "troll" when referring to other forum members.



#17 dkw

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 05:49 PM

Christian Wade is a lot like Robinson.


And dont forget retarded 8 year old, that was a deloghtful turn of phrase.

#18 ckn

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 06:15 PM

Ckn - point taken and I agree it was unwarranted.. But I would also expect the same response from you when a certain forum member uses the term "unreconstructed idiot" and "troll" when referring to other forum members.

I agree. Unfortunately I've been very busy lately and haven't read every post. If someone hits report then I'll deal with it, if not then you take the chance I won't see it.

Arguing with the forum trolls is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good you are, the bird will **** on the board and strut around like it won anyway


#19 Middleton Bull

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 06:35 PM

I agree. Unfortunately I've been very busy lately and haven't read every post. If someone hits report then I'll deal with it, if not then you take the chance I won't see it.

Fair do's. I can't understand why he reported me though when he dishes out much worse.



#20 808tone

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 06:37 PM

And dont forget retarded 8 year old, that was a deloghtful turn of phrase.

Strange ?






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