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Scottish Independence Referendum


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Poll: Should Scotland be an independent country? (38 member(s) have cast votes)

Should Scotland be an independent country?

  1. Yes (20 votes [52.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.63%

  2. No (18 votes [47.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.37%

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#81 gingerjon

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 03:40 PM

The Duchy of Cornwall is rather different from Cornwall. Historical Cornwall is much bigger than modern Cornwall and this is one of the many oddities of Cornish nationalism. 

 

I don't think it's down to "perception" so much as archaic laws surrounding royal estates that even royalists aren't too happy about.

 

This is also true of Welsh nationalism which seems quite content to believe that a thing called Wales has always existed within (or close to) its 1974 borders.

 

I meant the creation of those archaic exemptions were down to the belief/need to treat "Cornwall" differently.


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#82 Northern Sol

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 04:50 PM

This is also true of Welsh nationalism which seems quite content to believe that a thing called Wales has always existed within (or close to) its 1974 borders.

 

I meant the creation of those archaic exemptions were down to the belief/need to treat "Cornwall" differently.

Yeah but at least Wales actually is mostly what was considered Wales prior the Act of Union. The Duchy of Cornwall has more land in Devon than in Cornwall and goes up as far the Midlands and Wales.

 

I would have trouble taking a Lancastrian nationalist seriously but I'd find it even odder if he argued that Lancashire is the area governed by Lancashire County Council and thus excluded Barrow, Oldham, Salford, Liverpool, Blackpool etc.



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Posted 03 December 2013 - 11:34 AM

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#84 ckn

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 12:03 PM


Arguing with the forum trolls is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good you are, the bird will **** on the board and strut around like it won anyway


#85 JohnM

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:55 AM

More good news. "Yes" vote up by 3%  see http://www.scotsman....-poll-1-3226485

 

Now, if only this was a democratic referendum, yes victory would be assured!



#86 Northern Sol

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 12:55 PM

Whatever else is said about Salmond, he knows how to behave with dignity. He was clearly being set up to say something stupid along the lines of "I think I'll wipe my ###### with this England shirt that you gave me" and yet he didn't. What would Farage have said under comparable circumstances?


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#87 ckn

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 03:26 PM

More good news. "Yes" vote up by 3%  see http://www.scotsman....-poll-1-3226485

 

Now, if only this was a democratic referendum, yes victory would be assured!

The interesting thing about that was that the poorer parts of Scotland are in favour of independence while the wealthy want to be part of the union.  History has a strange way of repeating itself.


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#88 Northern Sol

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 07:31 PM

The interesting thing about that was that the poorer parts of Scotland are in favour of independence while the wealthy want to be part of the union.  History has a strange way of repeating itself.

A recent development. Usually the poorest areas vote Labour.



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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:00 PM

A recent development. Usually the poorest areas vote Labour.

My historical repeat point was about the history leading up to the 1707 Act of Union, the great and the good wanted the union to stave off bankruptcy as a nation, the great unwashed wanted nothing to do with England.


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#90 Northern Sol

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:12 PM

My historical repeat point was about the history leading up to the 1707 Act of Union, the great and the good wanted the union to stave off bankruptcy as a nation, the great unwashed wanted nothing to do with England.

I got the reference.

 

The difference is that back then the rich were trying to recoup their investments in Darien but the poor had nothing much to gain from union.

 

Now the poor get benefits money from London that might be threatened by independence and have thus tended not to support the SNP.



#91 Northern Sol

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 08:54 AM

http://www.telegraph...ence-plans.html

 

Ooops Alex's blind insistence that Scotland could remain in the EU whilst leaving the UK is exposed as fantasy again. 

 

It's not in the article but one of the "proofs" of this position came from a letter written by an EU official to somebody else which he downloaded from a Scottish nationalist forum.

 

You really couldn't make it up.



#92 JohnM

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 10:20 AM

I just love it when a plan comes together!  http://www.scotsman....g-gap-1-3239245



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 03:33 PM

I just love it when a plan comes together! http://www.scotsman....g-gap-1-3239245

Oh yes
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Posted 22 December 2013 - 10:58 AM

Yet more support for the yes" vote: http://www.scotsman....g-yes-1-3242124

 

 

A BURGEONING centre-right movement for Scottish independence is boosted today by a former Conservative politician pledging his support for Yes Scotland.



#95 JohnM

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 04:43 PM

SNP 8 points ahead of Labour  see http://www.scotsman....abour-1-3251567



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Posted 31 December 2013 - 04:50 PM

SNP 8 points ahead of Labour  see http://www.scotsman....abour-1-3251567

A quality scenario would be they vote yes

Then get a knock back by the eu and have to apply from scratch


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 11:37 AM

More support for the YEs campaign from an unexpected quarter.

 

Canadian mom falls off her horse and wakes with a SCOTTISH accent that she says has changed her life for the better
 

http://www.dailymail...ife-better.html



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 03:37 PM

Dual standards from the Tories?  Threats to leave the EU because "we're better off alone" but sniggering at Scotland because "we're better off together".


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#99 Northern Sol

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 04:06 PM

Dual standards from the Tories?  Threats to leave the EU because "we're better off alone" but sniggering at Scotland because "we're better off together".

The UK pays money to the EU for the right to belong. Walking away would save us money. Whether it is a good idea or not is another matter.

 

The rest of the UK subsidises Scotland*. Walking away would cost them money. Not the same.

 

* the SNP certainly dispute this but almost everybody else agrees



#100 JohnM

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 04:24 PM

Dual standards from the Tories?  Threats to leave the EU because "we're better off alone" but sniggering at Scotland because "we're better off together".

 

Not quite what he said.

 

"We don't want to join the euro, but also our withdrawal from a Europe which succeeded in reforming would be bad for Britain. And a country of the size and global reach of Britain leaving would be very bad for the European Union."






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