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Keighley Cougars plan £5M stadium.


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#121 yipyee

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 06:16 PM

As someone has already pointed out, Keighley had 5,000 fans during Cougarmania and that was in the Championships. If in SL it is not unreasonable to think they would have grown that considerably. The derby against the Bulls alone would have sold out the stadium and the Wigan, Saints, Leeds etc games would have drawn very well also.

4,000 of those fans have disappeared and have not gone to the Bulls who have lost 7,000 of their own fans who have not gone to Keighley. You are barking up the wrong tree altogether with this assumption that either clubs would diminish the other by being successful. They are not in the same catchment area despite the political forced marriage of the two areas.


Bradford are struggling with council help RFL help and 8000 crowd (you think Keighley will be doing well with 7000).....
My point was a SUCCESSFUL SL club, bouncing along the bottom of SL would kill the club, I can't see the council helping you out but who knows?

Keighley have got a job on but good luck!
I hope they don't self destruct and enjoy the journey!

Edited by yipyee, 16 December 2013 - 06:19 PM.


#122 Northern Sol

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 06:44 PM

Bradford are struggling with council help RFL help and 8000 crowd (you think Keighley will be doing well with 7000).....
My point was a SUCCESSFUL SL club, bouncing along the bottom of SL would kill the club, I can't see the council helping you out but who knows?

Keighley have got a job on but good luck!
I hope they don't self destruct and enjoy the journey!

If Bradford and Keighley had different councils, I doubt you would make the connection between the two clubs. There isn't really any other reason for linking their fates in this way.


Edited by Northern Sol, 16 December 2013 - 08:02 PM.


#123 northamptoncougar

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 07:07 PM

Exactly - plus no side has the god given right to be considered the top side in any area for eternity

Edited by northamptoncougar, 16 December 2013 - 07:08 PM.


#124 yipyee

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 09:17 PM

Exactly - plus no side has the god given right to be considered the top side in any area for eternity


Tell that to the NRL or any pro American team...
Their systems appear to work better than ours....

#125 Northern Sol

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 09:21 PM

Tell that to the NRL or any pro American team...
Their systems appear to work better than ours....

Tell me which US football is top dog in LA....



#126 yipyee

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 09:44 PM

Tell me which US football is top dog in LA....

The top soccer team is LA galaxy,

NY Yankee's are top dog in new york, they are major league, baseball

Not getting your point here and why you isolate one city. ...

Not sure on this one LA lakers basketball?

Edited by yipyee, 16 December 2013 - 09:46 PM.


#127 Wolford6

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 10:28 PM

If Bradford and Keighley had different councils, I doubt you would make the connection between the two clubs. There isn't really any other reason for linking their fates in this way.

 

If Bradford and Keighley had any other council, both would be a lot better off. I have always thought that keighley should have moved from its current ground and gone towards Skipton.

 

Kirklees Council built Huddersfield's modern stadium

Calderdale Council built Halifax's modern stadium.

The modernisation of Elland Road was done during the period when Leeds City Council owned it.

Wakefield Council may not have done anything better than Bradford with regard to stadiums, but it has developed a fantastic shopping centre to attract income and jobs.

 

Bradford Council demolished half the city centre with a catastrophic loss of jobs and income. The land has lain derelict for eight years ... like a World War 2 bomb site. Meanwhile its Labour and Tory parties have done sweet #### knack all to remedy the disaster and concentrated instead on blaming each other for it.


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#128 yipyee

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 11:25 PM

If Bradford and Keighley had any other council, both would be a lot better off. I have always thought that keighley should have moved from its current ground and gone towards Skipton.

Kirklees Council built Huddersfield's modern stadium
Calderdale Council built Halifax's modern stadium.
The modernisation of Elland Road was done during the period when Leeds City Council owned it.
Wakefield Council may not have done anything better than Bradford with regard to stadiums, but it has developed a fantastic shopping centre to attract income and jobs.

Bradford Council demolished half the city centre with a catastrophic loss of jobs and income. The land has lain derelict for eight years ... like a World War 2 bomb site. Meanwhile its Labour and Tory parties have done sweet #### knack all to remedy the disaster and concentrated instead on blaming each other for it.


This!

Well said that man!

Its imperative that the local authorities are on board!

#129 Eldujo

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 12:02 AM

The top soccer team is LA galaxy,

NY Yankee's are top dog in new york, they are major league, baseball

Not getting your point here and why you isolate one city. ...

Not sure on this one LA lakers basketball?

The point being made was that LA had a top dog once, well, two really. There was the LA Rams and the LA Raiders. Both have now moved to other towns which means the 2nd biggest city in the US has had no team in their nation's main sport since about the mid 90s I think. A bit like Birmingham or Manchester having no football team.

 

Things aren't as stable as they may seem over there. It's probably worse than UK sports as when a franchise is gone, it's not so simple to just restart with a new name.

 

I remember, back when I followed NBA, I was a fan of the Seattle Sonics. They were in the finals, again in the mid 90s. Move on 15 years and they're back in the finals but based out of Oklahoma. If Cas/Fev fans  won't  travel to Wakefield if there was ever a merger, how do you think Seattle felt. There are swings and roundabouts for all the different league systems.



#130 Northern Sol

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 12:10 AM

The top soccer team is LA galaxy,

NY Yankee's are top dog in new york, they are major league, baseball

Not getting your point here and why you isolate one city. ...

Not sure on this one LA lakers basketball?

Los Angeles has had at various times zero, one, two, one and now zero teams. To portray US sports as one of stability and planning is rather naive. 



#131 keighley

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 12:48 AM

Tell that to the NRL or any pro American team...
Their systems appear to work better than ours....

 

Like North Sydney, Balmain, Newtown or even South Sydney before they sued maybe. Like the Providence Steamrollers, Akron Indians , Brooklyn Lions, Buffalo All Americans, Canton Bulldogs, Chicago Tigers, Cleveland Bulldogs, Columbus Panhandlers, Dayton Triangles, Dallas Texans and many more, about 50 altogether.

 

Look before you leap



#132 yipyee

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:23 AM

Like North Sydney, Balmain, Newtown or even South Sydney before they sued maybe. Like the Providence Steamrollers, Akron Indians , Brooklyn Lions, Buffalo All Americans, Canton Bulldogs, Chicago Tigers, Cleveland Bulldogs, Columbus Panhandlers, Dayton Triangles, Dallas Texans and many more, about 50 altogether.

 

Look before you leap

 

NFL

 

32 pro clubs

 

Based in locations they can maximise income and therefore profit....

 

If the interest wanes they relocate! 

 

They relocate to create stability and quite clearly plan the move and do market research!

 

For instance they haven't just 'plonked' a team in London, they are quite clearly planning and introducing slowly!

 

They let the colleges and schools look after player development and these are fixed to certain areas...again good strategy and planning!

 

They HELP the weaker clubs by letting them have first access to the new players! = good planning and strategy!

 

They realise ALL clubs need to be adding to the NFL!

 

Also the NFL only 'settled' in the 70's Aussie teams in the V late 90's to quote teams before this time isn't a fair reflection on the point!

 

Its interesting how far back you had to 'look before you leapt!'



#133 yipyee

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:26 AM

Los Angeles has had at various times zero, one, two, one and now zero teams. To portray US sports as one of stability and planning is rather naive. 

 

very much doubt that pal,

 

Biggest domestic league in the world! 

 

you appear to be in cloud cuckoo land! 

 

Oh hold on there's a little hamlet in Yorkshire if they are marketed as David vs Goliath then they will be the best team in the world!

 

if carlsberg did RL ay?



#134 Ackroman

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:37 AM

very much doubt that pal,

 

Biggest domestic league in the world! 

 

you appear to be in cloud cuckoo land! 

 

Oh hold on there's a little hamlet in Yorkshire if they are marketed as David vs Goliath then they will be the best team in the world!

 

if carlsberg did RL ay?

 

We don't live in the US, with effectively a limitless resource of sponge finger waving glory boys



#135 Northern Sol

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:43 AM

very much doubt that pal,

 

Biggest domestic league in the world! 

 

you appear to be in cloud cuckoo land! 

 

Oh hold on there's a little hamlet in Yorkshire if they are marketed as David vs Goliath then they will be the best team in the world!

 

if carlsberg did RL ay?

It's the biggest domestic league because it's based in the world's second largest economy.

 

If the NRL was based in New Zealand even with all their slick marketing and general cleverness, they would be looking at one village side against another.



#136 guess who

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 12:04 PM

What has the NFL got to do with any of this.

 

We are not in the states.



#137 Bulliac

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 12:20 PM

No but we do seem to be in a bit of a state.... :ph34r:


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#138 Blind side johnny

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 01:29 PM

If Bradford and Keighley had any other council, both would be a lot better off. I have always thought that keighley should have moved from its current ground and gone towards Skipton.

 

Kirklees Council built Huddersfield's modern stadium

Calderdale Council built Halifax's modern stadium.

The modernisation of Elland Road was done during the period when Leeds City Council owned it.

Wakefield Council may not have done anything better than Bradford with regard to stadiums, but it has developed a fantastic shopping centre to attract income and jobs.

 

Bradford Council demolished half the city centre with a catastrophic loss of jobs and income. The land has lain derelict for eight years ... like a World War 2 bomb site. Meanwhile its Labour and Tory parties have done sweet #### knack all to remedy the disaster and concentrated instead on blaming each other for it.

 

 

Kirklees council did nothing to assist either Batley or Dewsbury in their respective stadium developments, so I'm not sure where this analogy is going.


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#139 keighley

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 01:37 PM

NFL

 

32 pro clubs

 

Based in locations they can maximise income and therefore profit....

 

If the interest wanes they relocate! 

 

They relocate to create stability and quite clearly plan the move and do market research!

 

For instance they haven't just 'plonked' a team in London, they are quite clearly planning and introducing slowly!

 

They let the colleges and schools look after player development and these are fixed to certain areas...again good strategy and planning!

 

They HELP the weaker clubs by letting them have first access to the new players! = good planning and strategy!

 

They realise ALL clubs need to be adding to the NFL!

 

Also the NFL only 'settled' in the 70's Aussie teams in the V late 90's to quote teams before this time isn't a fair reflection on the point!

 

Its interesting how far back you had to 'look before you leapt!'

 

The NFL is the most successful league in the world and are a model to follow but when you try to compare it to the UK scene we have to downscale because we have nowhere near the same amount of large cities as in the US and secondly, there was no competition for the NFL as there is from soccer over here when they were slowly establishing themselves.

 

Even today the NFL is very reliant of TV revenues for their success and you can see the same scenario playing out for RL over here. Without TV revenues RL would be in big trouble and, at present, the Sky contract is vital.

 

The fact remains that many many NFL teams went belly up before they came to dominate the sports market and the NRL has only become huge and stable on the back of TV contracts. In neither country did they have a behemoth like the Premier League sucking up huge amounts of TV cash leaving RL to live on scraps and now we have RU to deal with as well. he circumstances the game finds itself in as opposed to the NFL are different. On this thread you are bigging up the major player, the Bulls. In the world of the NFL a city like Bradford and  attendances like they get would not be ever in the discussion. The RL game operates on an entirely different level and, at that level, teams like Keighley and little stadiums like the one we are comtemplating are important to the game.  



#140 yipyee

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 02:15 PM

The NFL is the most successful league in the world and are a model to follow but when you try to compare it to the UK scene we have to downscale because we have nowhere near the same amount of large cities as in the US and secondly, there was no competition for the NFL as there is from soccer over here when they were slowly establishing themselves.

 

Even today the NFL is very reliant of TV revenues for their success and you can see the same scenario playing out for RL over here. Without TV revenues RL would be in big trouble and, at present, the Sky contract is vital.

 

The fact remains that many many NFL teams went belly up before they came to dominate the sports market and the NRL has only become huge and stable on the back of TV contracts. In neither country did they have a behemoth like the Premier League sucking up huge amounts of TV cash leaving RL to live on scraps and now we have RU to deal with as well. he circumstances the game finds itself in as opposed to the NFL are different. On this thread you are bigging up the major player, the Bulls. In the world of the NFL a city like Bradford and  attendances like they get would not be ever in the discussion. The RL game operates on an entirely different level and, at that level, teams like Keighley and little stadiums like the one we are comtemplating are important to the game.  

 

Baseball was top dog once,

 

Basketball have huge TV deals also.........

 

All I'm saying regarding the new stadium is that its a lot of money to waste on 1000 fans who claim they 'prefer' the old falling down shacks with no seats and toilets, to new 'soulless stadiums with plastic seats and running water!'






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