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#141 Northern Sol

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 03:43 PM

Baseball was top dog once,

 

Basketball have huge TV deals also.........

 

All I'm saying regarding the new stadium is that its a lot of money to waste on 1000 fans who claim they 'prefer' the old falling down shacks with no seats and toilets, to new 'soulless stadiums with plastic seats and running water!'

I'm really not sure where you got those opinions from. They don't ring true to me.



#142 keighley

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 03:50 PM

Baseball was top dog once,

 

Basketball have huge TV deals also.........

 

All I'm saying regarding the new stadium is that its a lot of money to waste on 1000 fans who claim they 'prefer' the old falling down shacks with no seats and toilets, to new 'soulless stadiums with plastic seats and running water!'

 

You are shooting off at a tangent now which has nothing to do with a stadium for Keighley but 1. Baseball is a summer sport and the NFL plays in Autumn/Winter.2. Basketball is an indoor sport played by necessity in smaller indoor arenas and plays it's games on nights when the NFL are not playing. The two are not direct rivals.

 

The club has every right to upgrade their stadium and the 1,000 was once 5,000 and I assume they have ambitions to get back to that level and a new stadium will help.

 

Since Keighley, like it or not, now comes under Bradford Council and since Bradford Council has helped the Bulls out in the past and done nothing at all for Keighley by rights they should step up to the plate for the Cougars. If the town of Keighley is part of Bradford it should receive the same representation and assistance from the council as Bradford itself.

 

What you are proposing is akin to Bradford saying that the rich in their area are well deserving and so we will direct our resources to them but the poor, whilst also our responsibility, are irrelevant and so not worth having any of the councils largesse directed in their direction.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 04:08 PM

You are shooting off at a tangent now which has nothing to do with a stadium for Keighley but 1. Baseball is a summer sport and the NFL plays in Autumn/Winter.2. Basketball is an indoor sport played by necessity in smaller indoor arenas and plays it's games on nights when the NFL are not playing. The two are not direct rivals.

 

The club has every right to upgrade their stadium and the 1,000 was once 5,000 and I assume they have ambitions to get back to that level and a new stadium will help.

 

Since Keighley, like it or not, now comes under Bradford Council and since Bradford Council has helped the Bulls out in the past and done nothing at all for Keighley by rights they should step up to the plate for the Cougars. If the town of Keighley is part of Bradford it should receive the same representation and assistance from the council as Bradford itself.

 

What you are proposing is akin to Bradford saying that the rich in their area are well deserving and so we will direct our resources to them but the poor, whilst also our responsibility, are irrelevant and so not worth having any of the councils largesse directed in their direction.

 

You were on about TV deals and the like?

Also RL summer sport RU and PL winter? therefore you have contradicted yourself by saying PL is a rival to RL?

 

5000 fans once upon a time......and the fairy-tale ends there.......

 

From your last point you are trying to sound oppressed but in reality £5mill is too much!

Stags built a stand for a nominal amount, maybe keighley should follow suit!

 

One stand should be enough for the 1000, any additional funding to the broncos for their 8000 fans! 



#144 Northern Sol

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 07:49 PM

You were on about TV deals and the like?

Also RL summer sport RU and PL winter? therefore you have contradicted yourself by saying PL is a rival to RL?

 

5000 fans once upon a time......and the fairy-tale ends there.......

 

From your last point you are trying to sound oppressed but in reality £5mill is too much!

Stags built a stand for a nominal amount, maybe keighley should follow suit!

 

One stand should be enough for the 1000, any additional funding to the broncos for their 8000 fans! 

Broncos?

 

Let Keighley try to get 5 million and if they don't then perhaps they can just do a Hemel Stags and build the one stand. Why limit their ambition by telling them to "know their place"?

 

If Bradford ever get a decent plan to redevelop Odsal then there is nothing to stop them going to the council. They won't get any funding without a plan. It's not like Keighley are planning to ask the council for the full 5 million.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 08:53 PM

Broncos?

Let Keighley try to get 5 million and if they don't then perhaps they can just do a Hemel Stags and build the one stand. Why limit their ambition by telling them to "know their place"?

If Bradford ever get a decent plan to redevelop Odsal then there is nothing to stop them going to the council. They won't get any funding without a plan. It's not like Keighley are planning to ask the council for the full 5 million.


TBF Warrington are building stand for stand maybe thats the way forward, you are right though they should try to get as much funding as they can, a link up with the bulls would make it easier as their feeder club though!

Should we agree to disagree?

Is there an architectural picture link anywhere?

#146 Northern Sol

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 09:27 PM

TBF Warrington are building stand for stand maybe thats the way forward, you are right though they should try to get as much funding as they can, a link up with the bulls would make it easier as their feeder club though!

Should we agree to disagree?

Is there an architectural picture link anywhere?

I don't imagine that very many people in Keighley would pay money to see Bradford's A-team. It would be an absolute death sentence for the club.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 09:40 PM

I don't imagine that very many people in Keighley would pay money to see Bradford's A-team. It would be an absolute death sentence for the club.


To be fair not many people pay to watch Keighleys A team. ...

If the bulls best youth and fringe players along with a few has beens/ nearly men were ripping it up, IMO they would get higher crowds image if Bateman and whitehead were playing with sammut coming back from Injury! And they would be pulling Keighley jerseys on!
They could save costs on admin/training facilities/youth production! Keighley would have a production line of talent, Bradford would have access to the best of them!

Its a win win no brainer!!

#148 Wolford6

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:17 PM

Keighley would have a production line of talent, Bradford would have access to the best of them!

Its a win win no brainer!!

 

In theory, maybe.

 

In practice, most Keighley folk (not just rugby fans) resent Bradford and think that their town gets the short straw. Cougars fans wouldn be unlikely to accept the Bulls as a superior team and their club as a Bradford reserve team.


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#149 TheTerminator

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:18 PM

To be fair not many people pay to watch Keighleys A team. ...

If the bulls best youth and fringe players along with a few has beens/ nearly men were ripping it up, IMO they would get higher crowds image if Bateman and whitehead were playing with sammut coming back from Injury! And they would be pulling Keighley jerseys on!
They could save costs on admin/training facilities/youth production! Keighley would have a production line of talent, Bradford would have access to the best of them!

Its a win win no brainer!!

Cripes! I can only imagine that the good people of Keighley would be literally frothing at the mouths in rabid anticipation at the prospect of icons such as Elliott Whitehead and Jon Batemen (they've both left Bradford Bulls, by the way) gracing the Cougar Park turf. The only issue this may bring would be the traffic jams in and around Keighley on a matchday, given the police escort from Odsal that would be necessary if these global superstars were to be delivered safely. However, I'm sure that the Keighley public would be willing to tolerate this in exchange for such a fantastic honour - and so they should.

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#150 Northern Sol

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:35 PM

To be fair not many people pay to watch Keighleys A team. ...

If the bulls best youth and fringe players along with a few has beens/ nearly men were ripping it up, IMO they would get higher crowds image if Bateman and whitehead were playing with sammut coming back from Injury! And they would be pulling Keighley jerseys on!
They could save costs on admin/training facilities/youth production! Keighley would have a production line of talent, Bradford would have access to the best of them!

Its a win win no brainer!!

I don't think that you understand the area. Wolford hits the nail on the head.

 

In theory, maybe.

 

In practice, most Keighley folk (not just rugby fans) resent Bradford and think that their town gets the short straw. Cougars fans wouldn be unlikely to accept the Bulls as a superior team and their club as a Bradford reserve team.



#151 Northern Sol

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:38 PM

Actually I think if Cougars had never existed then Keighley would be just another soccer town. I don't really think that there would be any benefit to Bradford in that.



#152 keighley

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 11:06 PM

TBF Warrington are building stand for stand maybe thats the way forward, you are right though they should try to get as much funding as they can, a link up with the bulls would make it easier as their feeder club though!

Should we agree to disagree?

Is there an architectural picture link anywhere?

 

The proposal is to redevelop the ground piecemeal over a long term time frame with the stand as the first step.



#153 chrisl1

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 11:27 PM

The proposal is to redevelop the ground piecemeal over a long term time frame with the stand as the first step.

What would be the advantage if Keighley get relegated which could well be a possibility?



#154 keighley

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 11:37 PM

You were on about TV deals and the like?

Also RL summer sport RU and PL winter? therefore you have contradicted yourself by saying PL is a rival to RL?

 

5000 fans once upon a time......and the fairy-tale ends there.......

 

From your last point you are trying to sound oppressed but in reality £5mill is too much!

Stags built a stand for a nominal amount, maybe keighley should follow suit!

 

One stand should be enough for the 1000, any additional funding to the broncos for their 8000 fans! 

 

RU plays autumn internationals and summer Lions tours in direct competition with RL and premier league plays from Aug to Nov, the climax of the RL season and from February to May, the launch and start of the RL season. Baseball finishes it's regular season in the 1st week of October leaving the NFL free rein for Oct, Nov,Dec and January.

 

The dream ends at 1,000 fans. if Keighley get a decent team and a decent stadium I am confident they will at least double the 1000 and maybe more. The Bulls however can kiss the 15,000 average goodbye forever. Their attendance decline over the last few years is precipitous and should be a huge cause for concern. They have more problems to worry about than some mythical threat from a resurgent Cougars.

 

Most of the funding or Keighley's project seems to be planned from grants, probably National or European and privately raised capital. The council involvement will not be the major share of the cost. Why should the Bulls have any part of that ?



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 11:41 PM

What would be the advantage if Keighley get relegated which could well be a possibility?

 

 

A decent ground is a decent ground. The ground would still be an asset. The Bulls played at Odsal when in the 2nd Division and would continue to play there when, sorry, if they get relegated or demoted for financial failure.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 12:14 AM

A decent ground is a decent ground. The ground would still be an asset. The Bulls played at Odsal when in the 2nd Division and would continue to play there when, sorry, if they get relegated or demoted for financial failure.


If they were to be demoted it would have already happened, they are just too valuable to go down!

Just 2 questions, you think Keighley can get back to 5000 but you don't think Bradford can get back to 15000? In your opinion why is that?
(I think Bradford will recover to around 10-12k when they are back in the top 8 Keighley will be around 1k for my lifetime)

Secondly are you seriously saying they are spending 5 mill on 1 stand and you think that's value for money? ?

#157 Northern Sol

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 12:31 AM

If they were to be demoted it would have already happened, they are just too valuable to go down!
 

They were. Whether or not, they are now is another matter. They are no longer a "big 4" side.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 12:39 AM

If they were to be demoted it would have already happened, they are just too valuable to go down!

Just 2 questions, you think Keighley can get back to 5000 but you don't think Bradford can get back to 15000? In your opinion why is that?
(I think Bradford will recover to around 10-12k when they are back in the top 8 Keighley will be around 1k for my lifetime)

Secondly are you seriously saying they are spending 5 mill on 1 stand and you think that's value for money? ?

 

It was an option to demote them both times that the went into financial difficulties. If/when p and r returns in 2015 unless they sort out their finances and greatly increase the strength of their team they will be in the mix for a relegation spot. Too big to fail eh. RBS, GM, AIG, Chrysler, Northern Rock used to be in that group. What happened to them?

 

1. I didn't say 5,000, I said 2 to 3,000, to be exact I said they could at least double the current 1,000 ad maybe more. 

 

2. 15,000 was the absolute zenith of Bradford's attendances when they were truly a dominant team winning titles and cups for fun. Since they stopped dominating many of the fans have jumped ship and there is nothing to suggest that Bradford are going to regain anything like their former prominence anytime soon. in fact, didn't they just make several backroom staff redundant ?

 

The whole ground development scheme is budgeted for 5 million. How much of that is for the redesign and build of the stand using the existing steelwork I couldn't say but what of it. Keighley are planning to do it and good luck to them, the little engine that might.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:31 AM

Stop feeding the troll. I'd like to say he doesn't have a clue but he does, unfortunately he'll claim this is RL discussion when in reality he's here to wind people up for his own amusement.

Keighley will never become Bradford's feeder club in his lifetime. Rightly or wrongly the people of KLY can't stand the city on the whole. They're extremely strange people of which I'm qualified to say so.

From all the DR we witnessed last year their wasn't a resurgence in crowds at any "feeder" club, if KLY were to ever become the Bulls feeder club that 1000 people would drop again. People In the town would not flock to see Sammut play two games in a Cougar top for example, he'd probably be the most heckled player on the pitch.

I might be on my own here but I always keep an eye out for the Bulls results even though they've never been an actual rival. A smIle to my face and a twinkle in my eye appears every time they lose which will never change to the day I die.

That's tribalism in a nutshell. The greatest strength and weakness of our game.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 08:04 AM

It is now my opinion Yipyee's posts are trolling of the highest order. On a thread regarding the positive decision to expand and improve Cougar Park he feel's the good people of Keighley should instead forward the money to the Bulls or Broncos etc instead of towards their own community interests. What a fookin* idiot he/she is.

 

* I accept the punishment whatever that is. Christmas off not reading some of this utter tripe would be worth it.


Edited by Ackroman, 18 December 2013 - 08:05 AM.





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