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SPOTY 2013 - Will RL get more than the 45 seconds it got last year?


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#41 gingerjon

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 04:22 PM

Well isn't just a bunch of toffs mucking around on horses. It is very dangerous. 

 

It can be both, of course.


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Posted 16 December 2013 - 04:32 PM

It can be both, of course.

 

Like motor racing it eventing isn't just the bastion of the privileged. It takes money but if you are talented you can use other people's money. The British girl that won the dressage gold at the last Olympics was a former stable girl you had to shovel horse manure for a living before he got her break into the sport. 

 

Anyway cross country equestrianism is borderline lunacy. 



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Posted 16 December 2013 - 04:48 PM

After the debacle of no women on the shortlist in 2011, and the discovery that Nuts and Zoo editors were involved in drawing up the shortlist, the BBC changed the rules for how the candidates are selected. 

 

From http://www.bbc.co.uk...nality/24145324

 

An expert panel decide the shortlist for the Sports Personality of the Year award. The Sports Personality of the Year production team will provide the Panel with a list of the top 50 or more sportspeople from 2013, including information on their achievements. The Panel will be free to consider other potential candidates.

The Panel will comprise 12 members this year:

• Four representatives of the BBC: Barbara Slater (director of BBC Sport); Philip Bernie (head of TV sport); Carl Doran (executive editor of Sports Personality of the Year); Mark Pougatch (representing BBC Radio 5 live).

• Three representatives of the UK written press: sports editors from The Mail on Sunday, The Mirror and The Telegraph.

• Three former nominees: Baroness Tanni-Grey Thompson; Dame Kelly Holmes; Marcus Trescothick.

• Liz Nicholl OBE, chief executive of UK Sport.

• One individual, multi-sport, broadcaster/former Spoty presenter: Sue Barker MBE.

The Panel will select a short list of 10 sportspeople on the basis of the following criteria:

• Reflects UK sporting achievements on the national and/or international stage;

• Represents the breadth and depth of UK sports, and;

• Takes into account 'impact' over and beyond the sport or sporting achievement in question.



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Posted 16 December 2013 - 05:21 PM

For about 10 seconds, I really thought that Wigan were going to win the team of the year.  As the award was given straight after the Wigan item, and was to be presented by League fan Mark Webber and Marian Bartoli, I imagined Inverdale (a welcome absence from the proceedings) cursing and wailing.  Then the Lions won...



#45 Middleton Bull

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 05:55 PM

For about 10 seconds, I really thought that Wigan were going to win the team of the year.  As the award was given straight after the Wigan item, and was to be presented by League fan Mark Webber and Marian Bartoli, I imagined Inverdale (a welcome absence from the proceedings) cursing and wailing.  Then the Lions won...

No, Inverdale knew that the union lions would win because he had secretly destroyed all of the Wigan voting papers.



#46 Saintslass

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 06:26 PM

I can see what you mean here, it seems that a significant sporting achievement normally equates to multiple nominations across the board.  It's the way the cookie crumbles.  It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if England would have won the world cup.  Would they have won team of the year ahead of the Lions, and likewise, would McNamara have won coach of the year?  All ifs now though!!

I think actually that England would have won team of the year had they won the world cup, partly because achievements in international sport pip those in domestic sport and partly because it has been 40 plus years since a British team managed to win a world cup in our sport.  Both those elements would have given us a very good chance of being voted team of the year.  Although I'm happy to acknowledge that the BBC still has its bias in favour of all establishment sports, I don't think even they (or their appointed voting panel) would be so bias as to ignore what would have been an incredible achievement. 

 

However, point is moot because we couldn't do it - again.



#47 Pie tries

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 08:36 PM

Real opportunity missed - if only we'd beaten the kiwis....

#48 Duff Duff

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 11:41 PM

I think actually that England would have won team of the year had they won the world cup, partly because achievements in international sport pip those in domestic sport and partly because it has been 40 plus years since a British team managed to win a world cup in our sport.  Both those elements would have given us a very good chance of being voted team of the year.  Although I'm happy to acknowledge that the BBC still has its bias in favour of all establishment sports, I don't think even they (or their appointed voting panel) would be so bias as to ignore what would have been an incredible achievement. 
 
However, point is moot because we couldn't do it - again.


Would you say boxing is an establishment sport?

#49 gingerjon

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 06:34 AM

Would you say boxing is an establishment sport?


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#50 CGD

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:22 AM

Real opportunity missed - if only we'd beaten the kiwis....

...You'd have been embarrassed in the final?



#51 gingerjon

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:56 AM

...You'd have been embarrassed in the final?

 

I think whoever came through that battle of a semi final was not going to have enough to stand up to such a focused Aussie team.  No shame in that at all.


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#52 John Rhino

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 06:17 PM

It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if England would have won the world cup. Would they have won team of the year ahead of the Lions, and likewise, would McNamara have won coach of the year? All ifs now though!!


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#53 RunItOffAfi

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 04:48 PM

Not watched this tripe for years. The BBC's attempts at aping Sky and showing clips from sports in a different way look very gimmicky and fall completely flat. I don't know if this has been said before, but a fishing friend of mine told me that, not long after the BBC changed to voting for the main award, the Angling Times produced a voting slip in their publication, urging their readers to vote for Bob Nudd, at the time fishing's world champion. The response was overwhelming, with hundreds of thousands making Nudd a clear winner, getting more votes than all the other contenders put together. Typical BBC, they just ignored the voting and made their own minds up, presumably because fishing is a mainly working class, non establishment sport. So, I don't think I'll ever again tune into this meaningless rubbish.


Edited by RunItOffAfi, 18 December 2013 - 04:50 PM.


#54 Exiled Wiganer

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 06:31 PM

How can beating the Wannabees be an achievement of any note? They get the last pick of any good sportsmen in Oz. England's cricketers winning the Ashes achieved far more.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 06:38 PM

Typical BBC, they just ignored the voting and made their own minds up, presumably because fishing is a mainly working class, non establishment sport.


Or maybe because fishing is not a sport
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#56 Saintslass

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 07:39 PM

Was the Marquis of Queensbury a pleb?

Exactly.  And prior to those revival days, a version of the sport was played for the pleasure of Roman and Greek nobility, so it's hardly got working class roots.



#57 Saintslass

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 07:40 PM

...You'd have been embarrassed in the final?

Personally, I don't think we would have. 



#58 Lounge Room Lizard

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 07:48 PM

How can beating the Wannabees be an achievement of any note? They get the last pick of any good sportsmen in Oz. England's cricketers winning the Ashes achieved far more.

The Wannabees are not even the best or even second best in the SH let alone the world. The BBC will always look after its friends. I dont know why its called Sports Personality as its got nothing to do with a persons personality and the winner this year doesnt have one! The BBC sports department is a joke and a waste of time. Its only interested in a handful of sports and the rest are given minimum coverage and at best iignored






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