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#1 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 11:55 AM

this is the best, clearest, most empathetic explanation of what it is like that I've ever come across

I know there are other members of 'the club' on here

 

for non members I hope it gives you some insight

chris

 

 


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#2 Griff9of13

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 12:00 PM

I have a feeling it's been on here before (but I'm not sure). However, it is exceptionally good and well worth repeating. 

 

It is a very clever use of a simple way to convey a complex, and at times (for the sufferer), bewildering condition. Those responsible deserve praise and thanks for their work.


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#3 Tiny Tim

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 12:06 PM

Very good video Chris.

 

 

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:38 PM

All the sufferers I've spoken to since I saw it have given it a thumbs up.
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Posted 17 December 2013 - 07:52 PM

Thanks for posting this Chris, it's a much larger problem than is realised as most do not admit to being troubled by the curse for fear of what others may
say or think about them as is highlighted by one poster already.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 09:28 PM

Quoted post deleted by CKN...

 

At the risk of upsetting the mods you are being an idiot.

 

My wife is a psychiatric nurse who deals with child and adolescence mental health as a specialist and teaches on the subject, don't ever be in the same room as her and express your pathetic views, she'll tear you to shreds on the subject. 

 

Thanks for sharing Chris, I don't know if Sharon is aware of that but I'll make sure she knows of it.


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 09:47 PM

At the risk of upsetting the mods you are being an idiot.

No, you're right... he is.  Utterly simplistic and moronic tripe from someone who is either trolling, badly, or really doesn't have a clue.  Probably Godfrey Bloom in disguse.

 

I'll have a think about what other action needs to be taken.

 

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 09:49 PM

A very descriptive video, but I never did get the 'black dog' thing. To me a black dog (or any colour of dog) represents interest, vitality, exercise, affection, fun, positivity - in fact everything I associate with good mental health.


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#9 ckn

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:03 PM

I take a very dim view of people ridiculing others for being depressed and telling them essentially to "snap out of it".  It's one of the most destructive things you can tell someone who is in genuine mental anguish and I've seen that alone be the last straw for someone in trouble as you're telling them that either they're faking it or they're so weak that they're useless.

 

Also, it's a point that some people don't get that mental health is covered by the same anti-discrimination laws as other disabilities.  For example, would you tell someone in a wheelchair to just snap out of it and get walking again?  What about someone with Parkinson's Disease, tell them to snap out of it and stop shaking so much?

 

I know someone who was the victim of pretty nasty childhood abuse and became seriously depressed to the point of hospitalisation, she was diagnosed with all sorts of illnesses and PTSD.  On release, she tried to go back to work part-time and her employers asked jokingly who they should call if they found her swinging from the lampshades.  She's not been back since and probably won't be fit for work again anytime soon, all because of an utterly idiotic and brain-dead manager who thought that her mental health problems were not really an illness.


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:15 PM

Ah! I was just going to read the deleted posts to see how utterly idiotic and moronic an individual can be.

 

Depression is not a modern illness, and neither is it restricted to people living in the 'pampered' west/modern society. To me, each episode was a process whereby each aspect of normal, everyday living was gradually shut down.

The bit in the video about exercise was illustrative: moderate exercise can be excellent for improving and maintaining mental health, and, in fact, one of the first signs of my deterioration would be the fact that somewhere along the line I had stopped regular exercise. Shortly after that realisation, I wouldn't be capable of motivating myself to do even the most moderate physical activity.

On a positive note, depression can be beaten. As someone who has probably suffered cyclical depression - the cycles being anything between 18 months and 2 and a half years - most of my life (probably going back to pre-school), I have suffered a bout since I was 46 (I'm now 54).

 

There is hope!

 


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:43 PM

No, you're right... he is.  Utterly simplistic and moronic tripe from someone who is either trolling, badly, or really doesn't have a clue.  Probably Godfrey Bloom in disguse.

 

I'll have a think about what other action needs to be taken.

 

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I speak as someone who has had major issues with depression. My father's brother and mother's sister both ended up committing suicide.

 

I disagree with what BB said (I read it before it was deleted) but I'd rather that he was allowed to say it.

 

And I don't agree that he is a moron. He just doesn't know what he is talking about.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:48 PM

There are a number of well developed theories of the underlying biochemical causes of depression. I think most of these are incomplete as the brain is such a complex mass of cells that we may never fully understand all of the interactions. I've previously worked in depression research and what we know hardly scratches the surface of what's going on.

 

Perhaps the biggest issue is that diagnosis of the illness is in itself challenging as the diagnosis of depression is too vague as there are many different causes and symptoms, and depression is more an overarching name for a group of illnesses. Add to this there is no simple diagnostic tool such a blood test or physical examination that can be used to diagnose depression, it is down to the experience of the physician and his/her ability to understand the patient.


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:50 PM

No, you're right... he is.  Utterly simplistic and moronic tripe from someone who is either trolling, badly, or really doesn't have a clue.  Probably Godfrey Bloom in disguse.

 

I'll have a think about what other action needs to be taken.

 

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I respect your right to do that

You always behave responsibly and with understanding in your uninvited role

But I wish you hadn't deleted the posts

 

When I first read them I decided to reply to them at a convenient time

Not in anger, disappointment or frustration: I saw the comments ad an opportunity to explain

To explain from the perspective of a former charge nurse on an acute psychiatric ward

And from the point of view of a long time sufferer...to a career ending life threatening extent.

 

Bedlam breakout presented via his ignorance and boorishness a good opportunity to explain a few things

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:50 PM

I speak as someone who has had major issues with depression. My father's brother and mother's sister both ended up committing suicide.

 

I disagree with what BB said (I read it before it was deleted) but I'd rather that he was allowed to say it.

 

And I don't agree that he is a moron. He just doesn't know what he is talking about.

 

CKN didn't say he was a moron, he said he was being moronic, there is a difference.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:53 PM

I speak as someone who has had major issues with depression. My father's brother and mother's sister both ended up committing suicide.

 

I disagree with what BB said (I read it before it was deleted) but I'd rather that he was allowed to say it.

 

And I don't agree that he is a moron. He just doesn't know what he is talking about.

The main reason is that I've never seen such a response from the forum before about a post.  One formal report, 8 PMs and someone even sending me a text on my mobile to ensure I saw the post, all within minutes of it being posted.  Back that with my instinctive reaction to it and I decided it was worth a strong response.  I decided to treat this the same way I would if someone were ignorant or uneducated about another disability and posted some insensitive stuff.

 

If people wish for me to put the posts back then I'll reconsider but all it would take is one person to say they should stay deleted and I won't change my mind.


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:56 PM

The main reason is that I've never seen such a response from the forum before about a post.  One formal report, 8 PMs and someone even sending me a text on my mobile to ensure I saw the post, all within minutes of it being posted.  Back that with my instinctive reaction to it and I decided it was worth a strong response.  I decided to treat this the same way I would if someone were ignorant or uneducated about another disability and posted some insensitive stuff.

 

If people wish for me to put the posts back then I'll reconsider but all it would take is one person to say they should stay deleted and I won't change my mind.

 

I think if you left the posts up Craig you would have to lock it within the hour.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:58 PM

The main reason is that I've never seen such a response from the forum before about a post.  

 

Nonsense, I don't believe that for one minute. Some of were here in the days of Paley, Clive Woody, Frank Machin, League Freak and Dally the Messenger!!!!

 

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 11:13 PM

CKN didn't say he was a moron, he said he was being moronic, there is a difference.

I agree there is but I wasn't referring to CKN's post but to one that was deleted.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 11:19 PM

The main reason is that I've never seen such a response from the forum before about a post.  One formal report, 8 PMs and someone even sending me a text on my mobile to ensure I saw the post, all within minutes of it being posted.  Back that with my instinctive reaction to it and I decided it was worth a strong response.  I decided to treat this the same way I would if someone were ignorant or uneducated about another disability and posted some insensitive stuff.

 

If people wish for me to put the posts back then I'll reconsider but all it would take is one person to say they should stay deleted and I won't change my mind.

The thing about a physical disability is that it is easy to understand. People who are less than sympathetic to someone who is handicapped deserve both barrels.

 

But mental illness has no physical signs. It is very difficult for someone who has never had depression to understand it. I'd even say that it is very difficult for someone with depression to understand it. Hence the video that Chris linked to.

 

People very often tell the depressed to "cheer up" or similar. In most cases they are not being rude, they are just trying to be helpful (but not succeeding).

 

As for the strong response. I think people take offence too easily. People especially take offence on behalf of others far too easily. When people say things that you think are offensive, unless they are a total meathead, then you can discuss it with them like adults - politely.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 11:22 PM

I agree there is but I wasn't referring to CKN's post but to one that was deleted.

 

I can't think which one that was, but that doesn't matter. I thought Craig's response was the correct one for the reason I stated in my earlier post.

 

A very useful thread for some people was in danger of being lost because one person thought it was a good subject to show their ignorance on.

 

My last statement on the BB side of this.



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