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Vince Cable helps sets the tone before the Coalition Christmas party


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#1 ckn

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 11:16 AM

Telegraph article on Cable's attitude to the Tory immigration approach.

 

It's been a tool of politicians for centuries pointing out that those not like us might be coming here to steal our scarce resources and I think the Tories have always been on the sharp end of that tool.

 

The thing I don't get is that we've had roughly Eurosceptic governments since the early 1970s, including the Blair one despite what people say, yet we're always top of the list for implementing EU laws, while the likes of France, Spain and Germany know that they can ignore them until at least the third overdue warning and, even then, they can request an extension until people forget about them having to implement it.  There's a reason why many of these foreign nationals will happily travel through many of the other wealthy EU countries to get to us and that's because we're the only ones who'll actually follow the spirit of EU-wide benefits and no work restrictions.

 

It's also a convenient thing for the last few governments to say "we'd love to not implement this but that evil EU makes us".  Voting records show that our MEPs toe the party line quite nicely in voting through almost anything the EU Commission want, or abstaining and having the same effect.  The other peer EU nations laugh at our bi-polar attitudes of helpful EU-friendly MEPs from the same parties as the anti-EU soundbite national parties.

 

Regardless of the rhetoric from Tory HQ, it's simple to address the EU immigration issue: simply take the same real-life attitude as the French, Germans, Italians and Spanish to their working conditions and benefits.  Once the message gets out that we're not just saying tough things but actually doing them then there's few reasons for those not wanting to work to come here.


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#2 John Drake

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 02:45 PM

The trouble with Vince is that he's mostly all bluster. Says one thing, does another.  When push comes to shove, how many times has he actually refused to troop through the government lobby despite huffing and puffing in the media beforehand about how much he disagrees with what its doing?


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#3 ckn

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 02:53 PM

The trouble with Vince is that he's mostly all bluster. Says one thing, does another.  When push comes to shove, how many times has he actually refused to troop through the government lobby despite huffing and puffing in the media beforehand about how much he disagrees with what its doing?

That's the problem, as a minister you're expected to vote for everything the government does due to collective responsibility rules.  He either backs up his whining by resigning as a minster or he just whines and looks weak.


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 10:26 PM

The impression I got from the media was that Vince Cable had compared David Cameron to Enoch Powell and I thought that was outrageous.  Reading the actual quotes it all looks quite reasonable to me.  Politicians and newspapers use scare tactics all the time, there's a long history of it;

 

In 999 AD the millenarians said the world would end in the year 1000.  Enoch Powell's 'rivers of blood' speech just looks plain daft now.  The year 2000 computer bug was another damp squib.  The Daily Mail and Daily Express have been telling us were all going to freeze to death for the last 3 months and there's not a drop of snow to be seen anywhere.

 

It's nice to see someone talking a bit of sense on immigration, I'm fed up with the media treating UKIP views as if they are the views of the population when they have exactly 0 seats in the UK parliament that they seem to think is so important.



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Posted 02 January 2014 - 10:51 PM

it may yet backfire on them

 

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 11:14 PM

Oh and a small factual point, Romanians are just that Romanians. They are not  The Roma who are the Romani or Gypsy people.


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#7 ckn

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 12:52 AM

Oh and a small factual point, Romanians are just that Romanians. They are not  The Roma who are the Romani or Gypsy people.

I cringe every time I see news commentary going on about Romania then immediately going into bits about how disruptive the Roma will be when they get here.  Oh come on, how complex can it be to separate them?  It's also a level of racism and intolerance that I thought we'd binned with the end of the 1970s, if you substituted "black", "muslim", "catholics", "gays" or even "gingers" in the place of "Roma" then it would gather enough complaints that you'd see people sacked and public apologies made.


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#8 Futtocks

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 09:50 AM

If any of these Romanians and Bulgarians can face fast, short-pitched bowling without hooking the ball like a complete tool into the hands of a grinning Australian fielder, don't give them a work permit, give them a passport! :P 


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#9 Wolford6

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 11:17 AM

I think we should make it a condition of entry.


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