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#61 Bob8

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 08:21 PM

Well I certainly aren't. But neither am I going to pretend that these people don't exist and don't actually need food banks but accept their kindness all the same. But I am by no means saying it is endemic either.

Fair enough.


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#62 Johnoco

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 08:51 PM

I'm not saying you don't give a toss about the poor, I'm saying IDS, Dave, Gideon, Gove, and the rest of them don't give a toss about the poor. Let's get one thing absolutely clear, this government are expecting to pay down the deficit by coming down hard on those who can least afford it, and letting those who can most afford it get off more or less scot-free. No change there then! As for Thatcher being a strong leader, don't make me laugh. She had the proceeds of North Sea oil and privatisation to spend keeping 4m unemployed whilst distributing tax cuts to the better off. Thatcher was a disaster for this country and the longer time passes since her spell in power the more this becomes obvious.


I might agree with you but its still not the point. You have to prioritise what you spend your money on. When times are good then spend it on what the hell you like. When you are skint, cutbacks have to be made and certain things come first - regardless.

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#63 shrek

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 07:37 AM

I might agree with you but its still not the point. You have to prioritise what you spend your money on. When times are good then spend it on what the hell you like. When you are skint, cutbacks have to be made and certain things come first - regardless.

I posted a link on page 2 to an article you may or may not have read.  But one thing that jumped out of there for me is the food bank in Wigan featured in the article dished out twice as many emergency food parcels in 2013 than it did in the previous 5 years combined.

 

Is that down to priorities or people finding themselves in a situation almost over night?  The more I read the more I suspect the later, the lady running the project talked about in the article cites the scrapping of the crisis loans being around the time that demand for food parcels "exploded".



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 07:38 AM

I might agree with you but its still not the point. You have to prioritise what you spend your money on. When times are good then spend it on what the hell you like. When you are skint, cutbacks have to be made and certain things come first - regardless.

 

I agree. If it's a choice between smoking or feeding the kids then it's no contest. Any decent person would cut down on the cigs, rather than let their kids go hungry. Having been brought up in the 1950s, it was a case of make do and mend and make the most of what you could afford. We simply didn't waste anything. Nowadays, it seems more of a throwaway society. Visiting the waste tip several times over Christmas, I noticed quite a few people throwing bicycles away. In days gone by, one would look to repairing them. I know life has to move on but the art of repairing things seems to have been lost in time. Perhaps some posters do take the trouble to mend things. 

 

The debate has been interesting so far, one way or the other.


Edited by Saint Billinge, 03 January 2014 - 07:57 AM.

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 07:56 AM

I agree. If it's a choice between smoking or feeding the kids then it's no contest. Any decent person would cut down on the cigs, rather than let their kids go hungry. Having been brought up in the 1950s, it was a case of make do and mend and make the most of what you could afford. We simply didn't waste anything. Nowadays, it seems more of a throwaway society. Visiting the waste tip several times over Christmas, I noticed quite a few people throwing bicycles away. In days gone by, one would look to repairing them. 

 

The debate has been interesting so far, one way or the other.

As a complete aside Channel 4's Undercover Boss a few years back featured the Chief Exec from Biffa and at one of there plants they picked up on this and did say they'd try and do something about recycling things like bikes, seemingly in perfectly good order that had been ditched.

 

Speaking as a parent of two who accumalate things far quicker than we can shift things out to make room its harder than you'd think to give perfectly good toys and equipment away!



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:09 AM

As a complete aside Channel 4's Undercover Boss a few years back featured the Chief Exec from Biffa and at one of there plants they picked up on this and did say they'd try and do something about recycling things like bikes, seemingly in perfectly good order that had been ditched.

 

Speaking as a parent of two who accumalate things far quicker than we can shift things out to make room its harder than you'd think to give perfectly good toys and equipment away!

 

Our family supports children's hospice Derian House with outgrown clothes or toys. Without sounding like scrooge, perhaps people go overboard at Christmas with presents for their children, as one can only play with so many. I've seen children playing with a cardboard box rather than the toy. I know one thing for sure, there will be a lot of credit card hangovers these next few months.


Edited by Saint Billinge, 03 January 2014 - 08:09 AM.

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:47 AM

Is that down to priorities or people finding themselves in a situation almost over night? The more I read the more I suspect the later, the lady running the project talked about in the article cites the scrapping of the crisis loans being around the time that demand for food parcels "exploded".


I think it is down to more people finding themselves up the creek and it can happen to most people. What is the saying about most people being only 3 paychecks away from disaster? Its pretty accurate I reckon.

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:49 AM

As a complete aside Channel 4's Undercover Boss a few years back featured the Chief Exec from Biffa and at one of there plants they picked up on this and did say they'd try and do something about recycling things like bikes, seemingly in perfectly good order that had been ditched.

 

Speaking as a parent of two who accumalate things far quicker than we can shift things out to make room its harder than you'd think to give perfectly good toys and equipment away!

 

Discussing food, while out walking in Aspull last year I noticed a lot of what seemed abandoned allotments. Is there a genuine reason for this, as it seems such a waste of productive land? All of the allotments in use where I once lived as a kid are now no more, having been used for housing. That said, isn't there now a scheme to encourage people to let others use spare land for growing food?


Edited by Saint Billinge, 03 January 2014 - 08:58 AM.

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#69 Saint Billinge

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 09:37 AM

wrong thread


Edited by Saint Billinge, 03 January 2014 - 09:38 AM.

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#70 JohnM

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 09:50 AM

I'm not saying you don't give a toss about the poor, I'm saying IDS, Dave, Gideon, Gove, and the rest of them don't give a toss about the poor.  Let's get one thing absolutely clear, this government are expecting to pay down the deficit by coming down hard on those who can least afford it, and letting those who can most afford it get off more or less scot-free.  No change there then!  As for Thatcher being a strong leader, don't make me laugh. She had the proceeds of North Sea oil and privatisation to spend keeping 4m unemployed whilst distributing tax cuts to the better off.  Thatcher was a disaster for this country and the longer time passes since her spell in power the more this becomes obvious.

 

, I'm saying IDS, Dave, Gideon, Gove, and the rest of them don't give a toss about the poor.

 

Complete, utter and arrant nonsense. Of course, you WANT that to be true. In fact you NEED it to be true so that it gives substance to your  obsolete class-struggle view of life. 



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 09:51 AM

Our family supports children's hospice Derian House with outgrown clothes or toys. Without sounding like scrooge, perhaps people go overboard at Christmas with presents for their children, as one can only play with so many. I've seen children playing with a cardboard box rather than the toy. I know one thing for sure, there will be a lot of credit card hangovers these next few months.

Likewise, although with some of the kids stuff like prams etc that to be honest had barely been used (we made the mistake most new parents probably made and didn't plan far enough ahead for when number 2 arrived!) we did try and give to charities that would use them rather than sell them on for a fraction of there worth to people grabbing a bargain but it was hardwork finding people that took donated goods to pass the goods on rather than sell them.

 

I think it is down to more people finding themselves up the creek and it can happen to most people. What is the saying about most people being only 3 paychecks away from disaster? Its pretty accurate I reckon.

I'd be amazed if it were three for most given how hard it is to actually save above and beyond the costs of every day life.

 

Discussing food, while out walking in Aspull last year I noticed a lot of what seemed abandoned allotments. Is there a genuine reason for this, as it seems such a waste of productive land? All of the allotments in use where I once lived as a kid are now no more, having been used for housing. That said, isn't there now a scheme to encourage people to let others use spare land for growing food?

Are they the ones down by the Wrestling club on the way to the Rugby club?  I walk the dog down there quite a lot and you do see signs of life down there, I'm pretty sure there's a waiting list so I'd guess those ones are in use.  The Brick charity in Wigan mentioned in the article I linked mention allotments and cooking programmes on there volunteer page.

 

As an aside Ray, my raised beds are still to see the light of day, although I have built a new retaining wall and bought the materials to build the beds with!  ;)



#72 Futtocks

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 09:53 AM



The fact you come from a rough estate is pretty irrelevant IMO, and similar to Michael Gove's belief that he's an expert on Social Work purely based upon the fact that he was adopted as a child.

That's just what his dad, Geppetto Gove, told him. ;) 


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#73 Phil

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 12:20 PM

, I'm saying IDS, Dave, Gideon, Gove, and the rest of them don't give a toss about the poor.

 

Complete, utter and arrant nonsense. Of course, you WANT that to be true. In fact you NEED it to be true so that it gives substance to your  obsolete class-struggle view of life. 

 

 

As opposed to "we're all in it together" which is nonsense of the highest order


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#74 Futtocks

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 12:26 PM

Discussing food, while out walking in Aspull last year I noticed a lot of what seemed abandoned allotments. Is there a genuine reason for this, as it seems such a waste of productive land? All of the allotments in use where I once lived as a kid are now no more, having been used for housing. That said, isn't there now a scheme to encourage people to let others use spare land for growing food?

In some areas, notable in London, there are long waiting lists for allotments, so I'm surprised you are seeing abandoned ones.

 

I assume the local council controls the leasing of them - perhaps they are letting them run down to make space for development.


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#75 Wolford6

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 12:48 PM

If anyone wants to use my garden as an allotment they can. I flipping hate gardening.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:34 PM

On the subject of saving, I remember an MP in the Commons saying how we'll all have to provide for our retirement by saving.

 

Someone wrote to ask how much of his £5.80 per hour minimum wage he should set aside?



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:41 PM

If anyone wants to use my garden as an allotment they can. I flipping hate gardening.

 

Is your garden large enough to serve as a space for practicing cheerleading? It could keep the grass down and bring a bit of community involvement.



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:52 PM

Nah, it's got wet grass, dirt and insects. In my experience teenage girls won't go anywhere near any of them.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:56 PM

Nah, it's got wet grass, dirt and insects. In my experience teenage girls won't go anywhere near any of them.

 

When I was a youngster they didn't mind a bit of the first two.


Edited by longboard, 03 January 2014 - 02:56 PM.


#80 Griff9of13

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 03:03 PM

On the subject of saving, I remember an MP in the Commons saying how we'll all have to provide for our retirement by saving.

 

Someone wrote to ask how much of his £5.80 per hour minimum wage he should set aside?

 

You mean just like MPs do (or to put it more accurately, don't do)


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