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#101 Phil

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 07:34 PM

So what if he does, he has no dependents.

 

 

How do you know? 


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#102 Saintslass

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 07:55 PM

Mmmm charity eh? The Sally Army who, according to George Orwell "can't do anything without making it stink of religion" and other handouts. Judgmental? You're being precisely that without even realising it.

 

Nice to see responsible people like you feeling so smug and self satisfied, well done you!!!

Pot and kettle there mate.  You've just made a sweeping judgment about religious people without even realising it.  Or maybe you did realise it and decided to go for it anyway. 

 

Without religious people - specifically Christian people in the case of the UK - there would have been hardly any caring at all in this country at one time.  I reckon you should be feeling gratitude towards religious people myself, should your concern for the needy of the country be genuine of course which I'm sure it is.



#103 Johnoco

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 07:57 PM

How do you know?

Because he is a tramp, they are invariably solo. As such whatever they do or don't do impacts primarily on them. Whereas someone spending the child benefit on cigs affects others.

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#104 Saintslass

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 07:57 PM

I do not smoke nor buy coffee from coffee shops, so please skip the indignation (I have differnet vices).  I am not even justifying the money spent on cigarettes, I am just saying it will happen, short of bringing in a specific licence to smoke and only under supervision.

 

You are free to condemn people all you like.  That is not being debated, it is just not this particular thread.  

 

Perhaps we can start a new thread; 'People we condemn'.  

If you want to start such a thread then go for it.  Why so defensive?

 

I was simply stating an opinion that adults should be held accountable for being adult, which involves taking responsibility for dependents.  I don't see how on earth that can be taken as judgmental.  In my understanding, taking responsibility and being held accountable are facets of adulthood.  Certainly of maturity anyway.


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#105 Phil

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:02 PM

Pot and kettle there mate.  You've just made a sweeping judgment about religious people without even realising it.  Or maybe you did realise it and decided to go for it anyway. 

 

Without religious people - specifically Christian people in the case of the UK - there would have been hardly any caring at all in this country at one time.  I reckon you should be feeling gratitude towards religious people myself, should your concern for the needy of the country be genuine of course which I'm sure it is.

 

 

Cobblers, I go for the "jesus died for his own sins not mine" school of thinking. I had religion drilled into me by nuns and priests as a kid and still think they are the lowest form of life.

 

Religion says "be good, don't rock the boat in this life and you'll be rewarded in the next" I have absolutely no gratitude towards christianity at all and furthermore don't feel a bit guilty about it.


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#106 Johnoco

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:06 PM

Cobblers, I go for the "jesus died for his own sins not mine" school of thinking. I had religion drilled into me by nuns and priests as a kid and still think they are the lowest form of life.

Religion says "be good, don't rock the boat in this life and you'll be rewarded in the next" I have absolutely no gratitude towards christianity at all and furthermore don't feel a bit guilty about it.

I aren't religious. But most soup kitchens or refuge for the poor are done by religious people. Whereas most non religious people like me do very little to help.

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#107 Saintslass

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:08 PM

Cobblers, I go for the "jesus died for his own sins not mine" school of thinking. I had religion drilled into me by nuns and priests as a kid and still think they are the lowest form of life.

 

Then you need to tackle your own judgementalism before accusing others of suffering from it otherwise you risk being called a hypocrite.



#108 Phil

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:14 PM

Then you need to tackle your own judgementalism before accusing others of suffering from it otherwise you risk being called a hypocrite.

 

:haha:  :haha:  :haha:  :haha:  :haha:

 

Good attempt at shifting the thread there, anyway;

Q: should poor people who smoke be able to get food from food banks?

A: Yes


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#109 Johnoco

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:16 PM

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Good attempt at shifting the thread there, anyway;
Q: should poor people who smoke be able to get food from food banks?
A: Yes

Why?

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#110 Saintslass

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:16 PM

 

Q: should poor people who smoke be able to get food from food banks?

A: Yes

Q:  Has anyone said otherwise?

A:  No.



#111 Phil

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:17 PM

Q:  Has anyone said otherwise?

A:  No.

 

 

Errr yeah!!!


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#112 Phil

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:27 PM

http://www.theguardi...ette-statistics

39% of the unemployed are smokers. The raw data at the bottom of the page is interesting. How many, what age, socio economic class etc. it would seem some people are choosing the risk of cancer over food, unless all those who use foodbanks are non smokers.

39% averaging 10 per day. Thats about a third of their dole per week on cigs. Perhaps foodbanks should be banned, it may encourage people to quit.

 

 

Regardless of all that Trojan, if you can't afford enough food for your family, why would you smoke?

 

 

This is the uncomfortable truth for many leftwingers and they prefer not to attempt an answer.  Add drink to that as well and that's a lot of money going away from family needs. 

 

 

So basically, screw you kids, my habit comes first? If you only have so much money, you aren't supposed to spend a chunk of it on a personal habit at the expense of food or clothes. And excusing people who do this by defending their habit makes it even easier for them to continue.

  

 

Close enough for me to saying don't use food banks if you smoke


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#113 Saintslass

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:30 PM

Close enough for me to saying don't use food banks if you smoke

Maybe but that doesn't actually make the statements you quoted remotely close to an opinion that people who smoke shouldn't use foodbanks!  The statements you quoted were actually, in point of fact, questioning how a parent can justify smoking over feeding their children, which has nothing whatsoever to do with foodbanks.



#114 Johnoco

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:32 PM

Maybe but that doesn't actually make the statements you quoted remotely close to an opinion that people who smoke shouldn't use foodbanks! The statements you quoted were actually, in point of fact, questioning how a parent can justify smoking over feeding their children, which has nothing whatsoever to do with foodbanks.

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#115 Phil

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:35 PM

Close enough for me to saying don't use food banks if you smoke

 

 

Maybe

 near enough thank you


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#116 Johnoco

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:41 PM

Hang on Phil, weren't you recently saying about a friend who rents houses out and how he was dismayed by the soft treatment of his drug addict tenants by social services? Why aren't they entitled to spend their money on drugs instead of rent?

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#117 Saintslass

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:44 PM

 near enough thank you

Nowhere near.  



#118 Phil

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:59 PM

Hang on Phil, weren't you recently saying about a friend who rents houses out and how he was dismayed by the soft treatment of his drug addict tenants by social services? Why aren't they entitled to spend their money on drugs instead of rent?

 

 

 Because, whether you agree with it or not, most drug taking is illegal and in the case of highly addictive drugs like Heroin and crack is a major contributor to crime. Last I looked smoking, although highly addictive and pretty unpleasant is not illegal and as far as I'm aware is not a major contributor to street crime.

 

There has just been a strong vein of self-righteousness running through this thread and I still think its a ###### major scandal that in 2014 some people are having to rely on charity run food banks to get a meal, whether they smoke or not is by the by to me. And I certainly don't need lectures on christian morality to justify the status quo.


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#119 Wolford6

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 09:06 PM

  I still think its a ###### major scandal that in 2014 some people are having to rely on charity run food banks to get a meal, whether they smoke or not is by the by to me. And I certainly don't need lectures on christian morality to justify the status quo.

 

I have some sympathy with that sentiment but after years of working-class life-experience, we both know that, for every genuine case flagged up by the media and by interested parties, there are a good dozen deadbeats who have their hands permanently held out for sponging.


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#120 Phil

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 09:11 PM

I have some sympathy with that sentiment but after years of working-class life-experience, we both know that, for every genuine case flagged up by the media and by interested parties, there are a good dozen deadbeats who have their hands permanently held out for sponging.

 

 

I don't know any such thing reverse those figures and you'd be nearer


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